^Its last theatrical release was in 1986.
Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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My main concern with issues like this is the question of how long do you hold things like that against people. When I was younger (20's) I was a deeply conservative Christian who thought homosexuality was evil and should be punished. Since then I've developed a much better understanding of the subject and developed friendships with people of all types, to the point that during the recent debate on same-sex marriage here in Australia, I was extremely vocal in supporting it. But, looking back, if I'd had access to social media in my 20's I wonder what sort of awful things I might have said, that would still be out there to haunt me, and potentially threaten my career? I'm a different person now and am extremely thankful that there's no permanent record of the person I used to be. Unfortunately, social media now provides that permanent record and even after (as the evidence suggests) people come to regret the things they've said, they're still out there to be dragged back up again for all time. I'm not defending the things he said, whatever his motives for saying them. But is there a time-frame, after which people can say "that represents a different person"?
Because of pricks being pricks posts were locked that you could only make edits to your posts for a couple days after it was first published on the last board software.
Since the migration here to XenForo, every time some noob resurrects a zombie thread, I get to spell check "me" from 5 to 7 years ago, and it is very disheartening all the words that I did not know how to spell, even very recently back in the all too near past.
Since the migration here to XenForo, every time some noob resurrects a zombie thread, I get to spell check "me" from 5 to 7 years ago, and it is very disheartening all the words that I did not know how to spell, even very recently back in the all too near past.
Disney fires Gunn......i had no idea they were going such lengths to make people watch Solo........no........tough room.....i'l get me coat. lol
There is redeeming value in just about anything and as time goes on you kind of have to treat it as a historical artefact. When I was in film school in the late 80s I had to study things like Birth of a Nation because DW Griffith really pushed the evolution of the artform. Of course, at the same time there was a frank acknowledgement of how the KKK were glorified in that picture. We also studied Triumph of the Will. When you sweep the past under the rug you don't learn anything from it.
Netflix is producing it, though. Through a licensing agreement. Sorta like how Disney doesn’t really get a say how Sony uses their Spider Man license. Or, until the merger, how FOX uses their Xmen and Fantastic Four license. All are going to get the Marvel logo, but that doesn’t mean they get final say.
And let’s thank our lucky stars, because we wouldn’t have these, for the most part, successful versions that Netflix produces. Disney, on their own, would probably never produce Jessica Jones or this version of Daredevil. Certainly not the Punisher. Disney would never put their logo in front of these.
Not seeing the relevance?
Guy, you are one of the best posters here. Fear not
Of course in order for Gunn to make those "jokes" meant he knew that the normal world rightly considered both acts to be abominable, was aware (as most people would be) of how destructive and in some cases deadly both acts are, but did not care. To the normal world, to think preying on/raping children is the subject of humor goes beyond someone being "tasteless" in the way one might at someone making...fart jokes. Not caring can be easily translated as he thinks to little of those horrors in the first place, if is serves his own needs. For anyone to arrive at that kind of belief says he lacked even a basic moral core.
Joy Reid is a political commentator for MSNBC, who recently ran head-first into deserved, widespread controversy when many of her old blog posts were exposed, filled with homophobic accusations / slurs (Oh, and regarding her "apology" for the homophobic posts, she used the ever-failed "South Park did it" as defense / justification) and anti-Semitic attacks / conspiracy theories, including a related theory about CNN's Wolf Blitzer, who is Jewish. Reid lied repeatedly, claiming her blog had been hacked, but that was proven to be patently false, yet MSNBC essentially gave the middle finger to the gay, Jewish and really any community who were rightfully outraged / wanted action by keeping her employed. One must wonder why the cable news channel reached that decision.
That's--potentially--the issue that needs to be sit on the other side of the scale; Disney knew about the tweets and still hired him, which suggests one of the higher-ups (or several)--like Gunn--did not have a problem with "joking" about pedophilia and rape. We know why Disney would immediately put distance between the company and Gunn by firing him (as they still sell themselves as "family friendly entertainment"), but as I've said before, there is a culture within the entertainment business that does not have much of a problem with the subjects of Gunn's tweets, otherwise, they should have stood on their alleged "family friendly" principles and never hired him. I will never expect the mainstream news media to ever put the fire to Disney's feet and demand why they hired him, knowing what they did about his tweets, and/or accepting the BS hand-wave of "I'm sorry" which as weak and free of consequence as if he merely misspelled a word.
Now there's a thread bomb I haven't heard in a long time.
Things just get worse. Old photos of Gunn at a pedophile themed party have surfaced.
Annnnnndddddd, there's goes what tiny chance Gunn had at being rehired by Disney. (Not that I thought he had a real chance...)
What exactly is a paedophile themed party?
I doubt the party was "pedophile themed", but it still just digs the hole deeper for him. He's dressed like a priest, surrounded by others dressed as children. They're all adults. And the photo is captioned "To Catch a Predator theme party" or something.
Making thousands of jokes doesn't make him a pedophile. Going to a "To catch a predator" theme party dressed as a priest doesn't make him a pedophile. But it makes him look like he has some sort of weird fascination with this stuff. And the more that comes out, it just vindicates Disney's decision to can him. The dude is just odd....and it's the unsettling kind of odd. If I were the head of Disney, I'd can him too.
The people that still defend him are on increasingly shaky ground. Bautista is still digging his heels in, saying "It's just a party!" That may be....but added to all the tweets, it is adding to a psychological pattern that this guy is showing. And the more that gets added to it, the worse he looks.
I understand dark humor. I like dark humor on occasion. But this is just too weird, and I'd venture to say Gunn has some issues.
Making thousands of jokes doesn't make him a pedophile. Going to a "To catch a predator" theme party dressed as a priest doesn't make him a pedophile. But it makes him look like he has some sort of weird fascination with this stuff. And the more that comes out, it just vindicates Disney's decision to can him. The dude is just odd....and it's the unsettling kind of odd. If I were the head of Disney, I'd can him too.
The people that still defend him are on increasingly shaky ground. Bautista is still digging his heels in, saying "It's just a party!" That may be....but added to all the tweets, it is adding to a psychological pattern that this guy is showing. And the more that gets added to it, the worse he looks.
I understand dark humor. I like dark humor on occasion. But this is just too weird, and I'd venture to say Gunn has some issues.
Well, there was an interview where he told that he witnessed phedophilia at a young age, when the schools priest(?) seduced some of his classmates or something like that. I guess that stuck. The jokes, the party dress... might all be some kind of coping mechanism.
I’d venture to say we all have issues. That’s the human condition. Yeah, it’s a bit much for some, I see that. But, there have been no accusations of actual behavior. For all we know, it’s a role play kink. We all have kinks.
But, of course, this further pushes him further from the Disney brand. So, yeah, he ain’t being rehired and I wouldn’t be surprised if that script goes a way too.
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