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Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"

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Jayson1 said:
What kind of attention? Was he just trying to piss people off or make people laugh? Attention covers a pretty big range of expectations. Doesn't everyone want attention whenever they say anything? They want to be heard and they want some kind of emotional reaction inside them. The thing with the apology is even that is proably not full accurate to what he was going for. You know they proably have lawyers and publist that help shape those things in a way they want them to. A apology can be sincere but also lacking in 100% honesty. Nobody tells the whole truth all the time about themselves. Of course we should have learned this lesson by just looking at ourselves from time to time or at the very least the Jim Carrey movie :"Liar Liar."

Jason
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Sigh. Attention. As in any kind of attention. Good. Bad. Whatever will put eyeballs on a post.

I know it’s hard to accept, but someone you like did something bad to gain notoriety. He recognizes it. I don’t know why you are trying to normalize the jokes, justify the jokes as actually somehow a “good” thing. They were toxic. Gunn knows this, he apologized for it.

Good people fuck up. It doesn’t mean, somehow, the fuck up was actually a good thing.

Gunn did the same thing Rosanne did: spewed some toxic shit on the internet. Don’t try to justify it.
 
It was a slightly different world when James made his jokes.

There were not supposed to be consequences, god forbid a decade later.

I watched the CC Bruce Willis Roast yesterday night.

Politically corrected... Not so many yucks. :(
 
Guy Gardener said:
It was a slightly different world when James made his jokes.

There were not supposed to be consequences, god forbid a decade later.

I watched the CC Bruce Willis Roast yesterday night.

Politically corrected... Not so many yucks. :(
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That's a really tired old excuse that's never really worked
 
Professor Zoom said:
]Gunn did the same thing Rosanne did: spewed some toxic shit on the internet.
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Only if you overlook the nuances of their motivation. I see Gunn's actions as more akin to those of Logan Paul in the Japanese suicide forest. Deplorable, but born from a place of insecurity and trying to entertain at all costs without considering the consequences. Roseanne appears to actually sympathize with the viewpoint of the things she has said, which is far more problematic and difficult to forgive without time and additional context of improved behavior.
 
Professor Zoom said:
Sigh. Attention. As in any kind of attention. Good. Bad. Whatever will put eyeballs on a post.

I know it’s hard to accept, but someone you like did something bad to gain notoriety. He recognizes it. I don’t know why you are trying to normalize the jokes, justify the jokes as actually somehow a “good” thing. They were toxic. Gunn knows this, he apologized for it.

Good people fuck up. It doesn’t mean, somehow, the fuck up was actually a good thing.

Gunn did the same thing Rosanne did: spewed some toxic shit on the internet. Don’t try to justify it.
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I didn't say the jokes were a good thing. I am saying who he is as a person means more than the jokes because in the end they are just jokes and that line of acceptable edgy and crossing the line edgy is more norrow than you might think it is. It is easier to accept bad mistakes form people you think are good than it is to accept bad mistakes from people you think are bad. You seem to be placing the jokes above the person and i'm doing the exact opposite.
I know it's part of my personality but I am someone who is simply inclined to give most people the benefit of the doubt a great deal of the time. I even did that with Roseanne longer than most. I guess it's easier also to give people a pass if you think that most humans have good inside despite all their flaws and I don't understand why anyone would want someone to be fired if you think they are a good person because of a mistake where nobody was physically hurt.

Jason
 
So if that footage turned up now and those two people were arrested for indecent exposure, would the time frames and social climate be a mitigating factor to your mind?
 
Spot261 said:
So if that footage turned up now and those two people were arrested for indecent exposure, would the time frames and social climate be a mitigating factor to your mind?
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I, for one, don't understand why anyone would care at all.
 
Venardhi said:
I, for one, don't understand why anyone would care at all.
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Many of the people I deal with are victims of child sex abuse. I can guarantee to you there are plenty of people out there who have plenty of reason to care.
 
Spot261 said:
So if that footage turned up now and those two people were arrested for indecent exposure, would the time frames and social climate be a mitigating factor to your mind?
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Indecent exposure
(1)

Every person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or a fine not exceeding $2,000 who, in or within view of any public place, intentionally and obscenely exposes any part of his or her genitals.

(2)

It is a defence in a prosecution under this section if the defendant proves that he or she had reasonable grounds for believing that he or she would not be observed.

Compare: 1927 No 35 s 47; 1967 No 154 s 2(1)

Section 27(1): amended, on 1 January 1998, by section 7 of the Summary Offences Amendment Act 1997 (1997 No 97).
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It turns out that they were not doing anything criminal until I pointed out the camera.

Ignorance is indeed an excuse in this particular case.
 
JD said:
The more I think about the less I want a GOTG Vol. 3 without Gunn. The main thing that made the movies so special was Gunn, and it would just feel wrong to have one without that Gunnness.
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The Russo's did just as good writing the Guardians in 'Infinity War' as Gunn did in his movies. A good writer and director will do the same for v3
 
flavaflav said:
The Russo's did just as good writing the Guardians in 'Infinity War' as Gunn did in his movies. A good writer and director will do the same for v3
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The Russos did not write Infinity War, that was Markus and McFeely. Exec producer Gunn was on hand to ensure the feel was right. He also wrote a bunch of the Guardians' dialogue and chose the music.
 
Tosk said:
The Russos did not write Infinity War, that was Markus and McFeely. Exec producer Gunn was on hand to ensure the feel was right. He also wrote a bunch of the Guardians' dialogue and chose the music.
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I just checked and it seems Gunn only wrote one scene, the Drax invisibility part. Maybe there's another, but I can't find anything specific other than simply overseeing. As far as the rest, Markus and McFeely (thanks for the heads up) did a great job, and as a comic fan I have no problems with new writers constantly rotating in and out, and as such I have no issues doing the same for films. There is also only one licensed track used which was "Rubberband Man".

Don't get me wrong, Gunn certainly made great films, but I'm sure Marvel can replace him rather easily. They haven't fucked up anything yet, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
Venardhi said:
Only if you overlook the nuances of their motivation. I see Gunn's actions as more akin to those of Logan Paul in the Japanese suicide forest. Deplorable, but born from a place of insecurity and trying to entertain at all costs without considering the consequences. Roseanne appears to actually sympathize with the viewpoint of the things she has said, which is far more problematic and difficult to forgive without time and additional context of improved behavior.
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I don’t disagree their motives were different. I’m saying their actions, spewing toxic shit on Twitter, were the same.
 
Jayson1 said:
I didn't say the jokes were a good thing. I am saying who he is as a person means more than the jokes because in the end they are just jokes and that line of acceptable edgy and crossing the line edgy is more norrow than you might think it is. It is easier to accept bad mistakes form people you think are good than it is to accept bad mistakes from people you think are bad. You seem to be placing the jokes above the person and i'm doing the exact opposite.
I know it's part of my personality but I am someone who is simply inclined to give most people the benefit of the doubt a great deal of the time. I even did that with Roseanne longer than most. I guess it's easier also to give people a pass if you think that most humans have good inside despite all their flaws and I don't understand why anyone would want someone to be fired if you think they are a good person because of a mistake where nobody was physically hurt.

Jason
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You are spending a lot of time trying to justify Gunn’s jokes, “maybe he did it because of this...” “I certainly believe he must’ve...”. You are trying to find a way to make the jokes ok to give Gunn a pass.

I believe he IS a good person. I believe he is truly sorry he made the jokes. But he also made the jokes. He made the jokes for the worst possible reason: to merely gain attention. He did a bad thing and the bad thing shouldn’t be made into something that was ok.

Gunn sees it that way. He knows they were wrong. Don’t find a way to say “It’s ok James, it wasn’t that bad, your heart was in the right place”

Even he has said his heart wasn’t in the right place.
 
JD said:
The more I think about the less I want a GOTG Vol. 3 without Gunn. The main thing that made the movies so special was Gunn, and it would just feel wrong to have one without that Gunnness.
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Not so sure about that. Gunn brought us some cringe-worthy moments. Beyond the blue jokes we got the oxymoronic absurdity of Yondu saying that he murdered people in cold blood with his telekinetic arrow "out of love!!!". W...T...FFFF? That arrow thing was always gruesome for a kid's movie and once Yondu was reframed as a good-guy and you had that scene where it just starts massacring the mutinous crew with music video editing like a black comedy...sending a rather disturbing message about violence. Then you had Yondu zipping up his fly, presumably just having used the services of a prostitute. The transition of Yondu from bad guy to good guy seems to give all this questionable past behavior a pass as you're asked to weep over his melodramatic death as if he's Mother Theresa.

Then you had a LOT of redundant on-the-nose dialogue in Guardians 2, especially Rocket openly psychoanalyzing himself "hey, I'm just like you. I'm this, you're this. I'm that, you're that". Show..don't tell.
 
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Just because someone acts on the "side of good" doesn't make them a good guy. We have no reason to believe that had GotG2 gone in a different direction that Yondu would have behaved significantly differently in sequels than he had for the majority of the first two films.
 
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