Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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I've been getting real puritanical vibes off certain left of center segments of society for a while now.
While what he had twittered in the past was clearly reprehensible, I believe his apology and that he has grown and learned from the past. Hopefully, he moves on to other projects (I loved both Guardians movies) and there will be other studios that give him the opportunity to do so.
Puritanical knows no ideological bent—it merely expresses itself differently depending upon the position on the spectrum from which a particular manifestation originates.
We forget though people have always had different views on humor. Some believe in the idea that nothing is off limits Context means everything. Humor has nothing to do with a person being a good person or bad person. That comes from how people treat each other and how they really feel about people in their hearts. Then you add in the fact that life is about change and how humans are always changing. Humans are suppose to get more mature as they get older and learn lessons but now it feels like people to expect people to be perfect right out of the gate.
As for him not deleting that was no doubt because he made these jokes in a time before people wanted to use the internet a kind of self made big brother were people are always watching people's every move. I'm sure he never deleted it because he never felt like anyone would ever care about old jokes he made 8 years ago. Like most people he didn't see the decline in civility coming or how Corporate America would be allowed to run over people and people would sometimes be okay with it. People should be just as worried about this as much as we are with the NFL siding with Trump to take away players ability to protest and those horrific 4-game suspensions they were trying to do. Anything that gives more power to the powerful over their employee's is not going to end well for anyone no matter what their beliefs are. It opens everyone up to being more controlled by the rich,not less. Also not great to think 'It won't happen to me, I have never done anything wrong" because we have known through history that nobody is safe in these situations.
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As for him not deleting that was no doubt because he made these jokes in a time before people wanted to use the internet a kind of self made big brother were people are always watching people's every move. I'm sure he never deleted it because he never felt like anyone would ever care about old jokes he made 8 years ago. Like most people he didn't see the decline in civility coming or how Corporate America would be allowed to run over people and people would sometimes be okay with it. People should be just as worried about this as much as we are with the NFL siding with Trump to take away players ability to protest and those horrific 4-game suspensions they were trying to do. Anything that gives more power to the powerful over their employee's is not going to end well for anyone no matter what their beliefs are. It opens everyone up to being more controlled by the rich,not less. Also not great to think 'It won't happen to me, I have never done anything wrong" because we have known through history that nobody is safe in these situations.
Jason
Those jokes are terrible. Not in the least bit funny and completely disgusting. Gunn was pretty much a troll 6 years ago.
That said, this is another example of the higher ups knowing exactly the kind of person they've hired and being hypocritical when it comes back to bite them. They knew about these tweets when he did Guardians Vol. 1 and still hired him. Then hired him again for Vol. 2.
He's only been fired now because his past behaviour has been regurgitated into the headlines. Disney, your outrage does not convince me.
I bet they really fired him because he was asking for too much money for Vol. 3.
That said, this is another example of the higher ups knowing exactly the kind of person they've hired and being hypocritical when it comes back to bite them. They knew about these tweets when he did Guardians Vol. 1 and still hired him. Then hired him again for Vol. 2.
He's only been fired now because his past behaviour has been regurgitated into the headlines. Disney, your outrage does not convince me.
I bet they really fired him because he was asking for too much money for Vol. 3.
Worse he has not joked - he also claimed that date rape didn't exist.
And for anyone who doubts the actual agenda behind the outrage, in one of Gunn's tweets, he put a link to a YouTube video. The video was actually a YouTube vid of some guys doing a spoof of the song "I touch myself", so yeah was a bad taste troll tweet. BUT the url to the YouTube video was altered in the copy of the tweet so you cannot directly link to it, leading people to believe that Gunn linked to an actual child porn video - despite the fact that it was on YouTube.
Be enraged at his vulgarity or bad taste, that's fine. Make up stuff to try to make the outrage even worse? That steps over the line from genuine outrage to deliberate hit-job.
...so, his sudden stop of posting what was a long history of pedophile / rape posts--pretty much timed to the period when he was hired by Disney/Marvel does not at all suggest that the job stopped him, instead of a sudden "ding! like magic!" crisis of conscience? Come on. Bautista being the only GOTG cast member to defend Gunn speaks volumes. Further, Bautista's line says nothing about Gunn's history with a specific focus on pedophile / rape "humor" at all. His disgusting defense reads more like job protection (as Gunn was so tied to this series) than anything else..
It reads that way from the so-called champions of family entertainment. Corporations pay close attention to and dig into the social media history of everyone--especially a potential employee, so there's no way Disney/Marvel can claim they were unaware of Gunn's posting history. It suggests they did not care, or considered the content of his reprehensible posts no big deal.
Agreed.
Wasn't that an offensive blog post?
Could have been.
You seriously think Bautista needed job protection as Drax when the new director comes in? Come on, that's the poorly thought out angle you're going to take? The cast is fine without Gunn. To speak out now actually hurts that job protection.
And like I specifically said, put away the motive, you simply asked for proof of change and it's there. Now you changed your question to proof of change WITH proof of noble intent, which is impossible from our perspective.
Then you have just set this up where it should go: he's protecting Gunn because he does not think Gunn did anything as abominable as it is in fact. That "good man" shit is exactly that--shit. No "good man"--no functioning, moral adult thinks there's any humor to be found in rape and pedophilia, so on what is Bautista basing his defense of this scandal? Bautista just stepped into a steaming pile of his own making and needs to be pressed on his defense.
No, you have not provided proof of change. All we see is that Gunn simply stopped posting anything regarding his sickening interest around the point he was tapped by Disney/Marvel. True change is not stopping a public act for a job.
Oh, settle down with the extreme overreaction. You can't go through life with such an extreme black and white view on matters. I agree that rape and pedophilia jokes are distasteful, but to exaggerate that distaste to the level where anyone who has ever laughed at or made a rape joke is an abomination who isn't a functioning, moral adult is such an extreme overreaction that it's simply ludicrous.
So, by your criteria for "overreaction," you will agree that the media and others "overreacted" to comedian Tracy Morgan's stand-up routine where he said he would kill one of his kids if they acted gay? After all, we should not have an overreaction to a distasteful joke, right? Or, was the fire cast at Morgan justified because of violence some gays face in real life (which was the heart of the criticism against Morgan's joke), much like Gunn's deserved blasting because of the innumerable real world victims of rape and pedophilia?
Take your pick.
Pretty much this.
Selma Blair petitioning to side with Gunn:
Because if people are punished despite changing, then what does that teach people about owning mistakes and evolving? This man is one of the good ones.
Taking the extreme stance that people should never be forgiven (especially when you have no right to say that knowing nothing about the person having never even met them) is just as toxic and insidious as the "crimes" being rallied against.
Because if people are punished despite changing, then what does that teach people about owning mistakes and evolving? This man is one of the good ones.
Taking the extreme stance that people should never be forgiven (especially when you have no right to say that knowing nothing about the person having never even met them) is just as toxic and insidious as the "crimes" being rallied against.
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