Discovery Size Argument™ thread

[SPCTRE]

From The Making of Star Trek. It's not canon, but it makes the producers' intent in 1966 very clear:

"The Enterprise is the largest man-made vessel in space."

love the references to separate-y sauc-y in there

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Side view:

Added JJPrise

Discovery looks ridiculous.

love the references to separate-y sauc-y in there

Yes, saucer separation was originally one of the capabilities of the E. That goes back to the original concept.

 

[Tuskin38]

Discovery looks ridiculous.

JJ Prise looks worse, and this comes from someone who likes it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

If Discovery is 750.5 meters and the Kelvin-universe Enterprise is 725m, that chart is a little off.

 

[Mytran]

Someone in the Tech forum figured out the TMP Enterprise actually makes way more sense at about 410 meters. This is especially true when you take some of its interiors into account; the engineering set alone with its long corridors is too large to fit into the secondary hull, and trying to fit two side-by-side torpedo rooms into at torpedo bay is an exercise in futility at the ship's "canon" size.

Not so sure about 410 metres - the size of the airlocks put a practical visual limit on how much you can expand the size of the refit to.
This old thread features 3D recreations of the TMP sets as seen on screen and comes up with how big the refit would need to be in order to accomodate them: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tos-enterprise-wip.119751/page-10
The proposed length of 355M would mean that the airlocks need only be 16% bigger than seen which is not an unbelievable margin of error on the visuals.

 

[Prax]

If Discovery is 750.5 meters and the Kelvin-universe Enterprise is 725m, that chart is a little off.

I was pulling the pictures from those deviantart 4000×2500 images that are out there for all the ships, and the one I used said 762 meters.

It may have been this one:
https://goo.gl/images/3p1ntu

Edit: I found it:
https://goo.gl/images/ag4nYy

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, 725 is the number CBS gave to the Star Trek Online Devs for their model.

So I assume that's official.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I was pulling the pictures from those deviantart 4000×2500 images that are out there for all the ships, and the one I used said 762 meters.

It may have been this one:
https://goo.gl/images/3p1ntu

Edit: I found it:
https://goo.gl/images/ag4nYy

Gotcha. 762m (2500ft) is from some non-final size charts seen in Star Trek: Art of the Movie. The appendix at the end says the final size is 725m, which is also used in the recent Star Trek Encylopedia.

 

[Prax]

fixed

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The more I look at it, the more I think the Excelsior makes way more sense in the 600 meter range.

 

[Gonzo]

The latest posts really do beg the question, how big will the Constitution class be when it is finally shown properly.

I get the feeling its going to be bigger than expected.

 

[Gonzo]

The more I look at it, the more I think the Excelsior makes way more sense in the 600 meter range.

It was always a very bulky ship with lots of detail in the hull, that makes it seem bigger even if its not.

We wont see Excelsior in the Discovery series but based on what I have seen it wouldn't surprise me if the Constitution class is somewhat called up and if that's the case then the Excelsior would be as well.

The only thing that ever really irked me with the Excelsior was the size of the saucer, it just looks too small for the rest of the ship.

 

[Prax]

It could be very large, as I think it's

Spoiler

"The Palace"

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The Galaxy is 600 meters, and we see many, much smaller excelsiors sailing alongside it in TNG. So it's the right size.

...Unless you wish to enlarge the Galaxy class, too. That would never work.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

eh, I do not mind if they redo sizes, which never fit based off set size anyhow.

 

[Longinus]

The Galaxy is 600 meters, and we see many, much smaller excelsiors sailing alongside it in TNG. So it's the right size.

Excelsior has very long engines and overall has long but narrow design. Even if it was the same length as the Galaxy, it would still look much smaller.

...Unless you wish to enlarge the Galaxy class, too. That would never work.

Why? At least then Ten Forward and the Jefferies tubes between the decks would actually fit.

 

[Prax]

Most of the time they do. Everything was perfectly scaled in Enterprise. There were possibly some scaling issues with the Defiant, and maybe the Delta Flyer fitting through shuttlebay doors, but they did a very good job scaling the Enterprise D, and Voyager.

 

[Prax]

Excelsior has very long engines and overall has long but narrow design. Even if it was the same length as the Galaxy, it would still look much smaller.

Why? At least then Ten Forward and the Jefferies tubes between the decks would actually fit.

It's already obscenely ginormous.

 

[Longinus]

Most of the time they do. Everything was perfectly scaled in Enterprise. There were possibly some scaling issues with the Defiant, and maybe the Delta Flyer fitting through shuttlebay doors, but they did a very good job scaling the Enterprise D, and Voyager.

Ten Forward doesn't fit because it was not originally considered when the ship exterior was designed. And IIRC there is not enough space for Jefferies tubes to be between the decks.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Most of the time they do. Everything was perfectly scaled in Enterprise. There were possibly some scaling issues with the Defiant,

Her size changed from 120m up to 175m (early concepts had a one-deck 50m layout), her internal layout changed from 4 decks up to 7 depending on the episode. The shuttlebay doesn't fit.

and maybe the Delta Flyer fitting through shuttlebay doors, but they did a very good job scaling the Enterprise D, and Voyager.

Or fitting Neelix's ship inside the shuttlebay. Or the shuttlebay changing size and layout every time it's seen. Or "Drive" where Delta Flyer is seen docked next to a ship twice it's size somewhere in a magically huge shuttlebay (with no sign of Neelix's ship although it's been there all along)

The Delta Flyer itself spawns a back room which is far too big, and it in turn spawns a goddamn Jefferies Tube(!!!) which sticks out several feet into the 8th dimension.

On the Enterprise-D, Ten Forward doesn't fit, they basically doubled the size of the area, which was originally conceived as a corridor going around the saucer edge with small windows along the top and bottom. Those bottom windows were made HUGE on Ten Forward.

Also, the window in Picard's ready room isn't on the exterior model, and the shots from outside looking in show a flat wall totally at odds with the top dome structure on the model.

And that's just off the top of my head.

 

[Mytran]

The Galaxy is 600 meters, and we see many, much smaller Excelsiors sailing alongside it in TNG. So it's the right size.

The Excelsior needs to be larger in order to accommodate the number of decks as portrayed by the windows and shown on various MSDs. Alternatively, maybe it is crewed by hobbits?

Her size changed from 120m up to 175m (early concepts had a one-deck 50m layout), her internal layout changed from 4 decks up to 7 depending on the episode. The shuttlebay doesn't fit.

I was always partial to the one deck Defiant idea:

At least it matches the size depicted in First Contact!