Nah, that's from the director's cut. It's really 81 AUs.
Discovery Size Argument™ thread
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Plus we also saw the shuttlebay when Burnham's shuttle landed.
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Your bias is all over your posts, you could have just given a similar open minded and balanced statement as I did in an earlier post.
"Starfleet is a military organisation because it has to be, not because it wants to be."
You couldn't do that though could you, it didn't occur to you or you would have posted it in the first place, your first instinct was denial which quite frankly has caused just as many wars and conflicts as paranoia ever did.
Starfleet want to be peacekeepers but that alone is not enough, any agency that is tasked with keeping the peace will inevitably turn to force to preserve it even if it is as a last resort hence the need for what is ultimately a full time military Starfleet that has military ranks, court martials, strict codes of conduct and a clear chain of command, it has these things because it needs them to function as an effective fighting force that can respond quickly to enemies both within and without.
Diplomacy doesn't always work if the other side is spoiling for a fight or feels threatened and acts accordingly, we have seen that time and time again in Star Trek in every series and quite often in each individual season, with the Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians to name but a few.
Nobody wants it yet it always ends up in a conflict of one kind or another, just as you have made this subject into one.
I am afraid your tone and the content of your responses to various members don't really leave any doubt in my mind at all, you have been jumping on anyone who disagrees with you for days now like this thread is your personal territory and this isn't even the right place for it.
Why don't you give it a rest, there is no battle to win here and I wont respond to you again on this as it really is not the right place for it, I haven't commented on this until recently mainly because I expected the mods to delete it anyway.
P.S It is fitting that this has happened in this thread as the last time I saw such behaviour on these boards was in fact the USS Enterprise Size Discussion thread when the first of the new films was released in 2009.
Is there a printer-friendly version of this?Just wanted to post the final picture.
Enterprise's primary mission was exploration. Of course it would have a lot of scientists aboard.
Do you mean with a white background? If so, no, but I could probably modify it easily enough.
Beautiful but Where the super mega star destroyer Charon?
Which is why I specifically asked you:
And why I will now specifically ask you to point out any specific example of anti-military bias in ANY of my posts.
Which I did, when I pointed out that Starfleet has a military role that is massively eclipsed by its OTHER responsibilities, owing to the fact that 99% of the shit that actually threatens the Federation's existence cannot be classified as "military threats." As one famous officer once put it, it's a minor province in the makeup of a starship captain.
Which is why i pointed out that even TODAY'S military does not have exclusive monopoly on the use of force, hence the existence of armed police departments, and paramilitary forces among intelligence agencies.
A military organization is one composed of professional soldiers and/or combatants whose training, equipment, and career paths are first and foremost focused on the fighting of wars and armed conflicts. Police departments do not fit this definition even when they use military-style equipment and ranks (which they do) because the fighting of wars is not their main responsibility. Most coast guard organizations are not either, for much the same reason. The JSDF refuses to call itself or be officially defined as a military orgnization (not totally unlike Starfleet) because the Japanese Constitution rejects the legitimacy of war altogether and allows for the formation of a "defense force" to protect Japan from attacks by terrorists and/or rogue states on a case-by-case basis, but they are constitutionally prohibited from actually participating in a declared war (and their choice to get even peripherally involved in the Iraq War nearly caused a constitutional crisis for that matter).
This is what Starfleet officers have told us and shown us multiple times across three centuries: They're not professional soldiers, trained primarily in the arts of space and ground warfare. They're professional astronauts and scientists and explorers trained primarily in scientific disciplines, physics, engineering, anthropology, archeology, astronomy and and celestial mechanics. They also receive basic medical, survival and combat training so that they can handle themselves competently during medical emergencies, disaster situations and combat situations.
But rather than examine these concepts in the context of the show we see, you fall back on equivocation fallacies and the same "Why do you hate the troops?" canard. Why is that?
You write a post with 5 or 6 counterfactual statements and veiled accusations and expect someone not to answer it? That doesn't seem realistic to me.
Any scales for the palace Charon?
Somewhere between 750m and First Order Mega-class Star Dreadnought?
I mean, look at this thing. What is even going on here? Why is it carrying a miniature star? Some sort of fusion power plant? So that the Emperor can get a natural tan?
I mean, look at this thing. What is even going on here? Why is it carrying a miniature star? Some sort of fusion power plant? So that the Emperor can get a natural tan?
I almost wonder if that's the inspiration for the design. So far, Discovery's producers have dusted off and modernized concept art from literally every other iteration of Star Trek to date, even put the round travel pod docking ports back on their shuttlecraft. This is probably inspired by one of Proberts original warbird concepts.
Isn't that all a fusion reaction really is? An artificial micro-star. This is just a fusion reaction so large and so energetic that they have to keep it contained in open space so it doesn't vaporize the actual reactor in the process. Or something like that.
Elsewhere someone posted some images of the area around the "star" and I agree with them it looks like a habitat enclosed in forces fields.
Its a mobile space station
Thank you for posting this graphic!
Besides the size issue of the Discovery: I think it's actually weird how under-designed she is. Especially compared to all the other Trek ships. It truly looks like a first draft that never got finished before being released. Her nacelles are great, completely finished designs for a real television show. But the rest of the ship? All the angles on the main hull, the sheer flatness of everything, the lack of details,... it just looks... not completed.
Also, and this is purely personal:
I suddenly got a little teary-eyed looking at the Voyager. It wasn't the best Trek series. I still think the finale was dumb as rocks. But her voyage home was also my journey. It was the show that was "new" on television while I grew up and got into Trek (TOS and TNG were better, but re-runs, out-of-order, and DS9 was too hard to get into during the middle of their arcs). And as such, I vividly remember waiting for new episodes, getting excited about Borg appereances, enduring all those lesser episodes in between, and fall in love with the Janeway-Seven dynamic. Hah, good ol' times! You might be the ugly duckling of the franchise, but still, I love ya'! :')
Ya know, those designs flow nicely, if you remove the two connies. They are the oddballs of that line up.
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