In the films, nowhere. In various books and time in media, it's been stated. Somewhere, I have a first run stormtrooper fact card that includes such speculation. Again, it's not specified, but speculated.
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I can't imagine why anyone thought casting a role about a guy who was taken from his family and reduced to nothing but a number only literally rises up and breaks his shackles to seek freedom might have best been cast as a black man.
For that matter, Canto Bight was a pretty blatant nod to Macau; a place of which women -- specifically Asian women -- have a pretty unique perspective.
For that matter, Canto Bight was a pretty blatant nod to Macau; a place of which women -- specifically Asian women -- have a pretty unique perspective.
To be fair, I don't think he was talking about the MCU. He later mentions comic cancelations, so I guess he's talking about them. Although it is very poorly phrased. I mean, it's either Marvel Comics or Marvel Studios, I don't "Marvel comics studio" exists...
Right. But I'm gonna go with the idea that people complaining after just watching the trailer had "other motivations." I don't believe that anyone without "other motivations," whether a "casual viewer" or a hardcore fan, would have given two hoots. I know I didn't care.
Full disclosure: I'm a white, male, American, Generation X, hardcore Star Wars fan.
I think it’s likely George was headed that way...after editing some trooper and empire deaths out, dehumanising the stormtroopers works to sanitise it. It’s surprising he never Re dubbed the few lines they get.
I suppose it's covered somewhere in the expanded universe? Is that the same expanded universe that was later declared as non-cannon? Sorry, I don't follow Star Wars material outside the movies.
I think some were innocent in their ‘huh how come he’s not a maori’ or ‘but the empire are space racists, why would a black dude sign up?’ But yeah, they were probably very far and few between, and would have been drowned out in the ensuing battle.
Personally, I liked every one of the new characters, and their actors....I just didn’t think much of the stories they got put in. Largely because it broke the way these arcs work. You can’t have two wise advisers who die to motivate the hero on their journey, and now they are pretty much out of old guard to off. Hans Death should have been more Jason on the Argo (and nearly was in real life) and there was no need to break the old heroes as well as wrote them out. But no one, not even Luke Skywalker, is allowed a happy ending in the twenty-first century media landscape. It’s like they applied Kevin Smiths thoughts on Empire to every damn thing.
Well, yeah. We were speculating that stormtroopers were clones as early as 1977. It's a natural enough idea, given their armor and the mention of "Clone Wars." But by the time 1983 rolled around, with the voice change, and more importantly with the idea that the Emperor was able to select "best troops," it was pretty obvious [sic] that they probably weren't.
Obliviously probably
My editor's gonna be pissed! They started being phased out a couple years after ROTS and replaced by non-clones.
This is never stated in the movies so I'm not surprised if you didn't know.
No it is part of the new canon as well.
The details are a bit different, Clones are almost entirely phased out before ANH, while in the old canon there were still some groups that had clones.
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For those who are curious about SW canon, Star Wars Rebels "The Lost Commanders" says that the Emperor retired the clone army.
I actually think it's a form of learned-helplessness. I think as the real-world political system seems to be a lost-cause with people are hopelessly polarized and unable to have a civil debate (with Trump's small hands bullying tactics being the average level of maturity of interpersonal contact these days) that we've retreated to fighting ideological battles indirectly through our entertainment likes/dislikes.
I think there's a symbiotic relationship between content creators and content consumers now. The failure of activism in the real world has led those who used to go into politics and social causes to enter into the media as a way to further agendas (right or left) and those without the chops or ambition to create fall back on waving the banner of their likes as a form of clicktivism. Art and politics have always overlapped but now it seems like things are too on-the-nose and too often soapboxing is taking precedence over entertaining, and symbiotically, fans are ranking works higher than they deserve solely due to ideological compatibility or the fact this or that casting decision was made.
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It was ridiculously overblown.
I thought he had, but I haven't kept up on whatever newest edition he has done. So, I could be wrong. I'll have to look, since my VHS won't have the newest edit
I'm extremely skeptical of the claim that in the end Lucas wanted all stormtroopers to be clones. Now, I wouldn't doubt that at different points in the process over the years he might have had that notion, especially early on in the 1970s. But as for what he wanted to represent going forward in the 21st century, it's an extraordinary claim, that would rate the need for extraordinary evidence, given how the OT-era show Rebels so liberally contradicts it. He changed Boba's voice in TESB. Why wouldn't he rerecord all the stormtrooper lines in the OT? It's really a far-fetched claim.
For one thing, cloning implies some sort of genetic manipulation. If they were clones, you'd think someone would have had the sense to tweak a few deoribs and give them better aim.
The problem with this is that in Encounter at Farpoint and some other early episodes, the crew was superduperIMPRESSED with the holodeck. They thought it was the most amazing thing, like they'd never seen one before.
If holodecks were such old hat even during pre-TOS, the TNG crew wouldn't have had that reaction over 80 years later.
There is no way that I will ever watch TOS Sarek and mentally include Michael Burnham as a factor in his thoughts, speech, and actions.I may be biased here because I loved most of the Sarek stuff (especially in "Lethe") but I thought his behaviour wasn't so far removed from the future Sarek we see in TOS. What it does change is how we perceive his past. In TOS we just assumed that Sarek hated Starfkeet from the ge-go but DSC provides us with more of an arc for him. His estrangement with Spock began with his chosing of starlfeet over the Science Academy. He previously made it impossible for his adopted daughter to enter the Vulcan Science Academy, based on an illogical choice, because he wanted Spock to enter. Once he didn't the illogic of his actions backfired on to him and because Vulcans suck at dealing with emotions he projected his guilt onto his children. Once he actually managed to make peace with his daughter he also supported Starfleet in a terrible immoral, illogical, decision. Unable to actually cope with the situation because Vulcans suck at emotional stuff he once again projected his own failure onto Starfleet which also provided him with a convenient excuse to not talk with Spock about the incident that started it all, his choosing Spock over Burnham for Vulcan Science Academy application. I know that most of this is speculation on my part, but I think that DSC makes Sarek into a far more interesting character than he was before (hence why I like to write long paragraphs about him
As for Sarek adopting a human girl... sorry, but but it's not a new thing. Fanfic writers did that already, 50 years ago. I probably have some of those stories among my collection (I collect '60s/'70s/'80s print 'zines, and haven't read all of them yet).
There's a fannish explanation for this: Katherine Pulaski is Leonard McCoy's great-granddaughter, who spent a lot of time with him. He inspired her to become a doctor, and she took on some of his traits (as some people do who spend a great deal of time around people much older; I speak from experience, having been raised by my grandparents).
She had the benefit of his knowledge and old-fashioned "country doctor" ways that don't accept that the computer is always right, and when the computer goes down, she still knows what to do when her colleagues give up. That's not to say that she didn't also absorb some of Leonard McCoy's prejudices, but by her last episode, she had started to work on changing those.
