Discovery Showrunner Promises Season 2 Character Exploration And Tying Up Canon Loose Ends

[lawman]

So, let's see. What do we have here in terms of actual information about what the show will try to do next season?

"We get much deeper into character exploration this year..."​

Okay, that sounds good. Couldn't get much shallower...

"It also gave us an opportunity to lay in some easter eggs and we feel very, very, very strongly about making sure that we fit into canon, making sure that there are not any loose ends that may be the story that is being told right now, but we are going to fit into that timeline. A lot of consideration has been put into it."​

This is basically word salad that tells us nothing. If they really think fans love random easter eggs, and that they've avoided loose ends so far, they're in a dream world. How about an example or two of a continuity conflict that arose in the process of breaking the story, and how they went about resolving it? That would be interesting.

"We know there are still people that have not been represented yet on our show and it will be our goal to make sure we get everybody in there that we can. ... It is our responsibility to make sure that wherever you are on this planet and whatever background you come from, you turn on the show you are going to see yourself."​

This is literally impossible. Intersectionality is a nifty concept, but the show (and its cast) can't be all things to all people.

And... that's it. Not a word about the three actual story teasers we'd previously been given, (A) the Enterprise and its crew, (B) "science vs. faith," or (C) Section 31.

Fuller's idea was not that good. Plain-and-simple..it's pretty much the truth.

Klingon War
The "Lorca is a Mirror bad guy" routine
Michael as a human raised on Vulcan
Tyler=Voq SOMEHOW or whatever

In all fairness, only the first and third of those can be pinned on Fuller. The second and (apparently) the fourth were devised after he moved on. And the third one is not particularly a bad idea (indeed, "Lethe," delving into Michael's background, was arguably one of the best episodes of the season). As for the Klingon War, I'd agree that it was a misbegotten idea and (in particular) that Fuller's re-imagining of the Klingons was not an improvement on, well, anything... but given that the war storyline was preordained, it certainly could have been executed much better than it was.

You know I didn’t think that far ahead when I used the picture - I literally got as far as “execute” and thought no more about it! I’m not suggesting that DSC will sputter out dead in space...

Damn, and here I was willing to give you credit for being clever!

I can’t be privy to the rationale behind all the decisions that a fictional organization makes. I can only use logic as a basis for what I see in any particular situation. And logic tells me that Kirk should have been told about the MU by his superiors.

Or even if not told about the MU per se... at least, in the wake of what Starfleet learned about the Lorca switcheroo, future Starfleet captains (and engineers) should be given Very Strong Warnings about not using the transporters during ion storms!...

 

[Tuskin38]

"Starfleet has kept the peace for over a hundred years."

Which they have.

"refrain or prevent others from disturbing civil order."

They stopped the Klingons.

 

[Ovation]

Not quite done. Kirk knew about Genesis, Janeway knew about the omega particle, Yesterday's Enterprise Picard knew the Federation was losing. The history of Trek shows that starfleet captains are trusted with classified information..

And? It does not necessarily follow that because officers are trusted with some classified information that they are thus trusted with all of it. There are multiple levels of classified information in the real world—no reason Trek can’t have the same.

Plus, Kirk was an admiral when he had access to Genesis. No longer a middle rank.

I guess we’re going to agree to disagree about this.

Not really disagreeing with you. I agree Kirk “should have been told” but I think it unrealistic to expect classified information to be shared on a purely rational basis. There are countless examples of instances where classified information was jealously guarded and things went badly—enough to be a norm, not an exception.

 

[ozzfloyd]

Which they have.

"refrain or prevent others from disturbing civil order."

They stopped the Klingons.

Exactly. NATO forces 'keep the peace' as well but have been involved in many conflicts.

 

[Jinn]

Who say anything about informing the entire Federation about the mirror universe, the question is why aren't starship captains being told?

Plus there is quantum mechanics, unless you want to say that Starfleet admiral are keeping that a secret from the general public too.

Everyone in the MU who knows about the prime universe, let alone knows how to cross over, is dead. There is no danger and therefore no need to tell every starship captain.

 

[BillJ]

...introduction of Section 31...

Forgot about this. Not really sensing they have any intention of doing their own thing in season two. Which is a shame.

More interested in wrapping themselves in the cloak of minutiae than doing something original and inventive. It really does play like a really expensive fan-fiction.

 

[Lord Garth]

That being said, Starfleet is run by a bunch of idiots.

Yup. My opinion of Starfleet Command has never really been very high. Most Admirals we've seen are either idiots, crooked, or out of touch.

And I can vouch for how ridiculous and how little sense Red Tape makes in Real Life. Everyone has their own agenda and there's no consistency due to turnover, the people in charge having changing priorities, and how much or how little (how little more often than not) they value those underneath them. That's a story they should cover in detail. Even though we've seen Corrupt Admirals, corruption in Starfleet Command in general has only ever been hinted at in the past.

 

[Tenacity]

We know there are still people that have not been represented yet on our show and it will be our goal to make sure we get everybody in there that we can. ...

I'm hoping that doesn't mean they will do what ENT did and seek to include the Ferengi, and the Borg.

And why stop there, let's include the Founders, the Ocampa, the Prophets, the Gorn, the Douds, the Doomsday Machine (why not?), and the Kazon.

To be "inclusive."

Which they have.
"refrain or prevent others from disturbing civil order."
They stopped the Klingons.

They didn't stop the Klingons. The Klingons started a war, and the Klingons gained control of part of the Federation.

Starfleet didn't keep the peace.

Exactly. NATO forces 'keep the peace' as well but have been involved in many conflicts.

In other words, NATO hasn't kept the peace then. However NATO has prevented Russia from invading western Europe, which is it's first duty.

My opinion of Starfleet Command has never really been very high. Most Admirals we've seen are either idiots, crooked, or out of touch.

But not during TOS, and not during ENT either. Makes you wonder what happen to Starfleet.

 

[Tuskin38]

In other words, NATO hasn't kept the peace then. However NATO has prevented Russia from invading western Europe, which is it's first duty.

That is keeping the peace

 

[cultcross]

I'm hoping that doesn't mean they will do what ENT did and seek to include the Ferengi, and the Borg.

And why stop there, let's include the Founders, the Ocampa, the Prophets, the Gorn, the Douds, the Doomsday Machine (why not?), and the Kazon.

To be "inclusive."

The comment is about the real world, not Ferengi.

In other words, NATO hasn't kept the peace then. However NATO has prevented Russia from invading western Europe, which is it's first duty.

Thus keeping the peace. That's what the phrase means. Carol Marcus probably grew up on a core federation world in total safety under guard of Starfleet, not on a border world at constant risk or occasionally traded in spats with the Klingons. So from her perspective, peace has been kept. Same applies to different nations in modern Europe.

 

[The Wormhole]

Can it really be called "keeping the peace" if some thirty years earlier twenty percent of the Federation was conquered by the Klingons, who even managed a foothold in the Sol system itself?

 

[Lord Garth]

But not during TOS, and not during ENT either. Makes you wonder what happen to Starfleet.

Looking at TOS is good enough for me, I don't care about ENT. I don't think there's enough shown in TOS itself to really say how Starfleet Command is at that point, one way or the other.

Real World Explanation: TOS was made in the Pre-Watergate Era. After that, showing corruption at the highest levels of anything became more in vogue.

In-Universe: Notwithstanding Admiral Cartwright, I think Starfleet began to atrophy in the Early-24th Century, without Klingons and Romulans as threats post-Khitomer and post-Tomed Incident and without as much exploration as during the UFP's first 150 years. They became comfortable, they became lax, and some tried to take advantage. Some probably believed after TUC it really was "The End of History" and ignored what Kirk said about how "We haven't run out of history quite yet." Maybe others thought they could control the narrative of history themselves.

About the best explanation I can come up with.

 

[Lord Garth]

Can it really be called "keeping the peace" if some thirty years earlier twenty percent of the Federation was conquered by the Klingons, who even managed a foothold in the Sol system itself?

Carol might be biased. In her eyes Starfleet can do no wrong. David, on the other hand, has a different view. He's biased in the opposite direction. "Scientists have always been pawns to the military!" I could see Stamets saying the same thing.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Can it really be called "keeping the peace" if some thirty years earlier twenty percent of the Federation was conquered by the Klingons, who even managed a foothold in the Sol system itself?

Wasn't it more like 'all but twenty percent of the Federation'? I was under the distinct impression that the Klingons had all but won the war and were just one more battle (Sol system) away from wiping everything out.

 

[johnjm22]

"Tying Up Canon" probably means we're going to get a convoluted mess of a story to try and explain away all discrepancies. I'm sure Section 31 will be involved and they'll be tons of references and call backs to TOS along the way.

If they wanted to have so many connections to TOS, they might as well have made the damn show a TOS reboot and completed the 5 year mission or something.

I wonder how much longer before there's a Khan episode. We just have to have that! And I'm sure they'll find a way to tie it into canon.

 

[BillJ]

I'm wondering if something like this goes on in the Discovery writers room...

George Michael undergoes what the narrator calls “total regression,” in which he mostly just runs through the Bluths’ model home shouting in excitement every time he discovers an item from the early incarnation of the series, like the DVD of Dangerous Cousins. The joke here is that, like many fans of the original Arrested Development, George Michael is simply excited to have seen something he remembers.

https://theoutline.com/post/4633/arrested-development-season-five-review

 

[Kor]

"Tying Up Canon" probably means we're going to get a convoluted mess of a story to try and explain away all discrepancies. I'm sure Section 31 will be involved and they'll be tons of references and call backs to TOS along the way.

If they wanted to have so many connections to TOS, they might as well have made the damn show a TOS reboot and completed the 5 year mission or something.

I wonder how much longer before there's a Khan episode. We just have to have that! And I'm sure they'll find a way to tie it into canon.

Here's hoping it won't be ENT S4 all over again.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

Here's hoping it won't be ENT S4 all over again.

At least Enterprise season four was entertaining to a degree. Where's Manny Coto when you need him?

 

[Tenacity]

Carol Marcus probably grew up on a core federation world in total safety under guard of Starfleet.

the Klingons slaughtered the people on a space station 100 au's on the outskirt of Earth's star system, and had an attack fleet within visual distance of Earth itself.

That as "core" as you get.

Can it really be called "keeping the peace" if some thirty years earlier twenty percent of the Federation was conquered by the Klingons, who even managed a foothold in the Sol system itself?

No, keeping the peaces includes preventing war, not just handing a detonator to outcast Klingons.

 

[cultcross]

Mutually assured destruction keeps the peace, and that involves a lot of detonators. In fact, the Marcus' dislike for 'the military' makes a lot more sense if 'keeping the peace' means what we are saying it means.