Discovery prequel novel: Desperate Hours
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Since when was it a bad thing to explore possibilities? Or are we expected to just shut down all discussions based on the information we hold at the moment because that would mean shutting down a significant percentage of the threads in this forum.
Saying "the trailer or the blurb is wrong" is not exploring possibilities, it's jumping to conclusions. It's assuming that the creators made a mistake rather than recognizing that we just don't have enough information to see how it fits together.
After all, the novelists and the writing staff are collaborating to a degree that's pretty much unprecedented for Trek novels. In other cases, it might be valid to assume that a novelist had insufficient understanding of the creators' intentions (it's been known to happen with some tie-ins, although the folks in charge of Trek tie-ins are old hands at avoiding such inconsistencies), but in this case, the creators of the show and the tie-ins are very much on the same page.
She's arguably way more qualified for command than Kirk was at the end of Trek XI.
In the TNG S1 episode "The Arsenal of Freedom" Riker says he turned down Command of the U.S.S. Drake to serve as First Officer aboard the 1701-D; so yeah that guy just didn't want a command.
Pfft. Starfleet order #612 states that if your father died heroically fighting someone and you come up against them, you get an immediate promotion to command in order to ensure you have the proper chance to avenge them.
So Garrovick was promoted after Enterprise blew up that vampire cloud and given a starship of his own. I guess he would have been Kirk's first choice to captain Enterprise once he became Admiral, but Garrovick probably already got a ship, leaving Decker next in line for command.
i just noticed that Desperate Hours comes out exactly 16 years after the series debut of Enterprise "Broken Bow".
Which means that if he didn't turn down the offer, he would have gone from Lt. Commander straight to Captain.
Really? Wasn't he First Officer/Commander on the Hood, too?
I had to look it up.
According to Memory Alpha, Riker was a Lt. Commander while serving on the Hood, and was both promoted to Commander and posted to the Enterprise in 2364.
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/riker-william
But this suggests that whilst both occured in 2364 - the promotion to Commander occured, and then the transfer to the Enterprise happened afterwards but neither were dependent on the other.
For the sake of argument, if we stretch it to the maximum, having DeSoto promote him to Commander really early in 2364 then having his assignment to the Enterprise in really late 2364, that still means they offered him a ship of his own with only a year as Commander under his belt. (Which would also have been after only one year at Lt. Commander.)
Short version point...Burnham's potential promotion is not unprecedented, which was the whole reason it got brought up in the first place.
Small ships can be captained by officers of commander rank or below (and in real navies, usually are). Cf. Worf and Dax commanding the Defiant. The Making of Star Trek says that Kirk's first command was a destroyer-equivalent vessel, but it doesn't specify whether he held captain's rank at the time.
For the sake of argument, if we stretch it to the maximum, having DeSoto promote him to Commander really early in 2364 then having his assignment to the Enterprise in really late 2364, that still means they offered him a ship of his own with only a year as Commander under his belt. (Which would also have been after only one year at Lt. Commander.)
Short version point...Burnham's potential promotion is not unprecedented, which was the whole reason it got brought up in the first place.
Exactly what Christopher is saying. You don't have to hold the rank of "Captain" in order to be a "captain" of a vessel.
Quick, real world examples from the US. Navy:
Lieutenant Commander (LCDR, O4): A Department Head or Executive Officer on a ship, aircraft squadron, or submarine. On SEAL Teams LCDR serve as Executive Officers. Some officers serve as a Commanding Officer of a Minesweeper or a Patrol Craft.
Commander (CDR, O5): A Senior Officer, a CDR may command a Frigate, Destroyer, Fast Attack Submarine, Smaller Amphibious Ship, Aviation Squadron, SEAL Team, or shore installation.
Captain (CAPT, O6): Serves as Commanding Officers of Major Commands such as Aircraft Carriers, Amphibious Assault Ships, Cruisers, Destroyer Squadrons, Carrier Air Wings, Ballistic Missile Submarines, Submarine Squadrons, SEAL Groups and major shore installations.
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