There's definitely something of the Liparus and Atlantis from The Spy Who Loved Me in there.
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There's definitely something of the Liparus and Atlantis from The Spy Who Loved Me in there.
On balance, this is easily the least inventive and least artfully designed bridge set for a principal ship in the production history of Star Trek.
Which is interesting, because the bridge of the Shenzhou shows some real creative effort. As does its transporter room.
And then they get to the Discovery, and it's nothing more than "Uh, okay, big round rooms. Paint 'em grey. Put those round light thingies in the transporter room, and that old chair that Fuller had built in the bridge.
"But - make 'em BIG!"
Which is interesting, because the bridge of the Shenzhou shows some real creative effort. As does its transporter room.
And then they get to the Discovery, and it's nothing more than "Uh, okay, big round rooms. Paint 'em grey. Put those round light thingies in the transporter room, and that old chair that Fuller had built in the bridge.
"But - make 'em BIG!"
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I don't get the Cage with any of the sets I've seen so far. In fact, I'm surprised at all the blue because I thought based on the trailers it was going to be more brownish. I like blue though so I'll give it a chance.
Exactly so.
But, as I keep pointing out, the heavy use of blue isn't because "The Cage did it" but because "amber and teal."
I haven't seen anything specific to The Cage in any of the stuff I've seen. The colors and designs for the Starfleet sets and propps are pretty much a mixture generic modern scifi, and updated TOS. Overall, I've been pretty happy with it, but there's really nothing that new or unique to any of it. Which to be honest, I'm pretty happy about since none of the Starfleet stuff we've gotten has every been anything that out there or crazy.
I think where the production design is really standing out so far is the Klingons, there's a lot more new and interesting stuff there.
The problem with the Expanse is it's really done in a totally different style from Star Trek. The reason they don't look like Trek is because they are more closely inspired by modern day technology than Trek ever has been. If anything, I think it would make more sense to compare The Expanse to something like The Last Ship than to Star Trek.You guys just supported my position completely. In fact, most shows go out of their way to stay away from either the circular bridge or the perimeter stations surrounding a central chair because they are so identifiable with Star Trek(some examples of large scale scifi on tv to go out of their way to this are Babylon 5--which even stated the differences in a tv movie!--The Expanse--a good comparison because this is the largest budget space show ever before DSC), and that's exactly what they use on DSC. Another thing that supports my position? Some of you mention parodies of Trek that use it..they're the only ones.
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I'm looking at the design of most of the Starfleet stuff and thinking "so what?" Not a reaction I've had before (certainly not to the Abrams movies).
On another aspect of the Variety piece, their reporting is that Fuller was sacked for being months late with scripts (among other things).
On another aspect of the Variety piece, their reporting is that Fuller was sacked for being months late with scripts (among other things).
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Bullcrap.
These are probably the best UFP designs we've seen, there's a reality to them. While I like the designs in the Kelvin era, some of them are somewhat idealized, with the exception of the Vengeance bridge, which almost looks like they actually plucked it out of the future. The Kelvin bridge was one of my favorites, but it had a deliberate retro aesthetic to it that kind of muted the futuristic effect.
When I originally thought we might see a post-Voyager timeline I had in mind a certain future aesthetic, but when we were told it was to be a pre-TOS re-imagining, I had a certain look in mind, they actually were almost right on the nose..though I wouldn't have used some of those retro color touches we see in the publicity pics. My only surprise..that they were as cinematic as they appear..mainly because I was assuming a $5.5-6 million budget, and its over a third higher.
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I did the legwork, had the facts, even surprised many I'm sure with a lot of revenue sources you never thought of but I took into account because of research over the last year. The range is $520-650 million on the high end. Any way you slice it, it has made a profit, only the exact amount is in question.
You might catch up with me eventually..maybe..
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Yes, if you look at Adams' production art online, the sense comes right through in both the production art of DSC and the bridge designs. Really impressive.
What about them has "reality"? All I see is a slightly more modern styled version of the Starfleet bridges and tech we've been seeing since the TOS movies.
No one at any point has suggested that the science of either Trek or Avatar is not fantasy. We're discussing the design of sets and fake instruments.
Avatar's designs look like spaces and gadgets that might work. Discovery's look like Star Trek. I can't make it simpler than that.
If that's all you're talking about then it's all the money, and nothing to do with the designs.
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