A question to send the production designers for the Canada Expo.
Discovery in Variety
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You're determined to find some way to say Discovery is a financial failure when all available evidence points somewhat starkly to the contrary. No doubt if the first season is successful and a second ordered, you'll repeat the same argument for the potential of a third season.
Personally I don't understand why you build an space ship capable traveling light years with ease with a small or tiny bridge. You build this massive ship that can travel the stars, has labs for experiments, each crew gets their own room most likely or doubles up with someone, but the bridge crew is suppose to be cramped while they work? It's not a submarine.
The only reason I can think you'd go with a "small" bridge is to compared a smaller ship with a bigger ship (even then that smaller ship should still be roomy for its size and number of people on the bridge) or production itself forces that. If you'are aren't limited via production then go with something with reasonable amounts for room for people to breath, walk around, etc. I still think the NX ships were to small but budget and TV production likely determined that. All those sets could have been least two feet wider in all directions I think.
The TOS bridge is unreasonably small. The second they got more money and weren't limited by production in the first film that bridge got bigger and is likely as big as they might have originally wanted but weren't able to do. This is why I don't think the TOS should be dictating anything in regard to how things should look for Discovery. Production realities are at play for why things look the way they do, especially set size, and I think that should be ignored for most part.
The only reason I can think you'd go with a "small" bridge is to compared a smaller ship with a bigger ship (even then that smaller ship should still be roomy for its size and number of people on the bridge) or production itself forces that. If you'are aren't limited via production then go with something with reasonable amounts for room for people to breath, walk around, etc. I still think the NX ships were to small but budget and TV production likely determined that. All those sets could have been least two feet wider in all directions I think.
The TOS bridge is unreasonably small. The second they got more money and weren't limited by production in the first film that bridge got bigger and is likely as big as they might have originally wanted but weren't able to do. This is why I don't think the TOS should be dictating anything in regard to how things should look for Discovery. Production realities are at play for why things look the way they do, especially set size, and I think that should be ignored for most part.
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Sense 8 was $9M an episode on Netflix, Marco Polo had 10 episodes @ 90M, and The Get Down ended up being $120M for 12 episodes (originally budgeted at only $7.5M/ep). Discovery is a bargain...
Man, you're really all in on this show, aren't you?
Yeah, it winds up coming in around number 5. Higher than the top 10 using the old budget number they gave us.Sense 8 was $9M an episode on Netflix, Marco Polo had 10 episodes @ 90M, and The Get Down ended up being $120M for 12 episodes (originally budgeted at only $7.5M/ep). Discovery is a bargain...
Man, you're really all in on this show, aren't you?
..and yeah, it's really a bargain. How many shows in history weren't in the top 10 most expensive shows ever at this point...tens of thousands? Way to have perspective.
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I didn't forget about any of those. What I wanted to show was how the set looks under neutral lighting conditions, not necessarily how it will look on the show. The backdrop for the convention photo-op with the Captain's chair actually comes pretty close to what I did in Photoshop. I guess what I wanted to say was just that I doubt that the Variety photos reflect how the show will look. That teal tint is just something they added in post to make the photos look more interesting.
Aaaaaand.....we get a generic bridge design that could fit in ANY scifi show...with an as uninteresting color scheme as possible. I´d never thought I´d ever prefer the new movies "Apple Style Bridge" to anything. Would it have hurt to add some different colors to the console displays...instead of just "make it blue"?
Jesus. How about stopping misquoting me?
Tell me anywhere where I said DIS will be a financial failure? You won't find it, because that's an argument you just made up in your head, to blare some stupid contrarian argument against something nobody ever said...
What exactly did I say? That it's not as in the bag as some people here are trying out to make it. That it still needs to be, you know, good, and actually being watched by people to survive. Shocker. Who would have guessed? But apparently, some people here need a reminder to such basic things. "Oh no! It's already the most expensive and most lucrative and most liked series ever made that already makes tons of money!" No it isn't yet. No series would be at this point.
People need to stop combining some vague PR-speak with wishful thinking. And "most expensive anything" is nothing to be proud of - if anything it's a liability.
Define generic? Looks identifiably Trek to me, and as pointed out earlier the colors are actually in tune with The Cage, which it most certainly didn't have to be. File this under: random, gratuitous gripe.
That's misleading.
The reason the color palettes are similar because the new production team is trying to match it, but because 'amber and teal' was a thing back even back then, especially with NBC trying to promote the fledgling color market. I also suspect it's why the original peacock had two yellow and two blue "feathers."
The reason the color palettes are similar because the new production team is trying to match it, but because 'amber and teal' was a thing back even back then, especially with NBC trying to promote the fledgling color market. I also suspect it's why the original peacock had two yellow and two blue "feathers."
It looks to big to me as well. Too much empty space. However, I'm guessing (hoping) that the angle used for the photograph won't be used during filming. In other words, that empty space might be where the video cameras go and hence won't be visible.Why is the bridge so huge? It reminds me of the comically oversized bridges from Star Trek Online.
Agreed. Although, in a funny sense, the "pajamas" in TOS (and the Kelvin movies) might be the most practical for a crew on a starship because they look the most comfortable and good for everyday wear. The ones on TNG and beyond don't look comfortable at all.
In terms of the visual look, I'd agree that Voyager (bridge and all around) is the best.
However, in terms of a functional workplace, I think the TOS bridge is still the best. Most bridges after TOS (production-wise) are a series of two-dimensional planes in terms of work places. Basically rows of workstations. Nav/Con, Command, and stuff behind command.
The TOS bridge is a three-dimensional works space that makes the most of the area where everything can be interconnected. In many bridge scenes, you'll see various people moving around the bridge by a variety of routes. It just feels set up to be more efficient--everyone is close to everyone else which facilitates interaction.
It is a lot of money, but it's really not that much more that Enterprise when you adjust for inflation. Enterprise had about $5,000,000 per episode which is about $7 million in today's dollars. So, it is an increase, but not as extreme as it's frequently made out to be.
I think Enterprise was a lot closer to two million dollars an episode.
Not according to the sources I saw, but I'm not an expert so I'm just going by what I read.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0244365/faq
By the end of season 4 the price tag was just over $2m, but the final season saw the sets upgraded and HD cameras bought to give HD broadcast quality, it depends if you pile all that expense on the season as well. Although, it still comes nowhere near $7m, (Add in maybe a $10m upgrade at 450,000 added to each episode then being $3.43m p/e of season 4 adjusted for inflation, less than half that).
Discovery from the start is seeing more investment than any other series so far.
IMDB is notoriously known for having bad information. "Broken Bow" cost $13 million with all the production set up (designing/building sets, uniforms, props and the CGI elements) included. No way a standard Enterprise episode cost $5 million.
If that's right, I stand corrected. However, after a quick search, I couldn't find any other figures. So, it's uncertain for now.
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