Spoilers Discovery: Desperate Hours by David Mack Review Thread

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Defcon, Sep 9, 2017.


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  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    I don't care for that explanation. The reason Roddenberry abandoned "laser" for "phaser" was because he realized it had been a mistake to use it in the first place, that actual lasers didn't work anything like what was shown, so it was a misnomer. If he himself had made more stories in the "Cage" era or before, I have no doubt that he would've changed "laser" to "phaser." Just like other things such as dilithium and the Federation have been retconned to exist earlier than they were introduced on the show. The word "laser" was only used two times in "The Cage" anyway, so it's easy enough to disregard.

    I think it was Grace Lee Whitney who wanted the miniskirt uniform. We see it as sexist today, but women at the time saw it as a liberating fashion statement.

    And I believe the techical term for that dress design was mini-culottes -- basically a briefs cut with flaps to suggest a skirt.
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  2. Stevil2001

    Stevil2001 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 7, 2001
    The expanded universe has definitely gone with skirts-vs.-pants as a choice: novels have given us TOS-era women in pants, while I remember Nurse Carlotti in Early Voyages wearing a miniskirt (complete with fishnet stockings*) even though we didn't see one on-screen on Pike's ship.

    * One issue featured a letter from a teenage boy in praise of the fishnets as I recall!
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  3. JD

    JD Admiral Admiral

    Jul 22, 2004
    Arizona, USA
    Why does it need an explanation? I don't think we've ever gotten that kind of an explanation for why any of the other uniforms have looked the way they have, so I don't see why the miniskirts would need one.
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  4. Ensign_Rowan_McGrath

    Ensign_Rowan_McGrath Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Aug 16, 2017
    Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
    Anything on Keyla Detmer? What she doing, who she interact with?
  5. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 17, 2011
    We were the fandom which created ridiculous nitpicking and explanations for everything.
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  6. hbquikcomjamesl

    hbquikcomjamesl Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Oct 6, 2006
    Orange County, CA
    Uh, no. Culottes are a "divided skirt," short pants cut very full, to look like a skirt. On at least one occasion during the run of Get Smart, Barbara Feldon (as 99) wore a mini culotte dress (the one I'm thinking of had red and yellow stripes). Shorts with extra flaps to resemble a skirt are a "skort" (at one point, the uniform for Disneyland's "Storybook Land Canal Boats" featured one). According to the patterns given in Franz Joseph Schnaubelt's Starfleet Technical Manual, the panty was matching, but separate (figure skating dresses often have an integral panty).

    But this offhand sidebar about women's clothing has taken on a life of its own, and is "wagging the dog" with this thread, so I think I'll shut up about it now.
  7. khaosworks

    khaosworks Ensign Premium Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Very nicely done - like many others, my favourite parts were the Spock/Michael interaction and the insights into their lives as they were growing up. The impression I'm getting though, however, is although Michael is just 4 years older than Spock, they did not spend time together as kids in the same way foster siblings do. That somehow strikes me as a little odd, and something I'm not sure Amanda would want - surely, she would want the two to have a closer relationship, one being half-human and the other one human but educated as Vulcan? Or am I wrong about this?
  8. Starbreaker

    Starbreaker Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Feb 19, 2001
    Chattanooga, TN
    This was a good book. I was really loving it for a wholesale but it started to slump somewhere along the line. Probably about the time Spock and Burnham were at the Juggernaut.

    Why does Captain Pike come across as kind of a dick in this book? His character was completely unlikeable to me for the first time.
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  9. Idran

    Idran Commodore Premium Member

    Apr 17, 2011
    No, that was the Baker Street Irregulars. :p
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