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Discovery at STLV. The massive info dump

OK I'm taking the bait......@uniderth......what is your peeve with bussard collectors?

Not with bussards in general just calling nacelle domes bussards. It runs counter to everything we know about warp drives in Star Trek. The engines housed the anti-matter. The engines were able to be jettisoned. All of this indicates that there as a reaction going on in the nacelles. The glowy swirly energy look of the nacelle domes seems to indicate that that is where the reaction is going on. Additionally the first time we see a vertical intermix shaft (note: glowy swirly) is the same time the Enterprise looses the nacelle domes AND the engineering crew are all now running around in radiation suits.

Maybe some of the other vent-type things on the engines could be hydrogen collectors, but the nacelle domes are NOT.

Also why would the Phoenix, a VERY short range testbed need bussard collectors?

It just doesn't make any sense.


TAS is listed on Star Trek's canon site, so that ends that debate.

Hahaha. :guffaw:
 
Not with bussards in general just calling nacelle domes bussards. It runs counter to everything we know about warp drives in Star Trek. The engines housed the anti-matter. The engines were able to be jettisoned. All of this indicates that there as a reaction going on in the nacelles. The glowy swirly energy look of the nacelle domes seems to indicate that that is where the reaction is going on. Additionally the first time we see a vertical intermix shaft (note: glowy swirly) is the same time the Enterprise looses the nacelle domes AND the engineering crew are all now running around in radiation suits.

Maybe some of the other vent-type things on the engines could be hydrogen collectors, but the nacelle domes are NOT.

Also why would the Phoenix, a VERY short range testbed need bussard collectors?

Right. This notion started with Franz Joseph's Tech Manual where he called the dome, "Space Energy/Matter Sink (acquisition)", which I took at the time to be the beginning of the space-folding required for warp drive and the caps at the back of the nacelles were labeled "Space Energy/Matter Sink (restoration)", meaning that's where space gets patched back together. Okuda and Sternbach instead read this and concluded it was some kind of Bussard system.
 
Not with bussards in general just calling nacelle domes bussards. It runs counter to everything we know about warp drives in Star Trek. The engines housed the anti-matter. The engines were able to be jettisoned. All of this indicates that there as a reaction going on in the nacelles. The glowy swirly energy look of the nacelle domes seems to indicate that that is where the reaction is going on. Additionally the first time we see a vertical intermix shaft (note: glowy swirly) is the same time the Enterprise looses the nacelle domes AND the engineering crew are all now running around in radiation suits.

Maybe some of the other vent-type things on the engines could be hydrogen collectors, but the nacelle domes are NOT.

Also why would the Phoenix, a VERY short range testbed need bussard collectors?

It just doesn't make any sense.




Hahaha. :guffaw:

It's......a TV show.
 
Anytime someone says that all fans loved TNG, show them this:
#36

I went to almost every Trek con from '75 to 2002. I talked to a lot of people. I still have their letters. TNG did NOT get universal support, but we know how well the show was received by year 4.
Yep - there was also someone who posted a readable picture of a news article clipping from the L.A. Times that shows a numbers of Star Trek fan's feeling RE: ST:TNG. (It's in one of the thread of this sub forum and I wish I'd saved a link to it because it was golden in that they showed fans had similar (almost word for word) complaints about TNG prior to it's premiere. (And as I can say I was 24 in 1987 when TNG premiered - believe me when I say the first few episodes shown more showed how right than wrong we were.

The 2 Hour "Encounter At Farpoint"

- "The Naked Now"
And I laughed HARD at this exchange:
WESLEY: See how I reversed the fields on this, Commander? I made it into a repulser beam.
DATA: If we just had one minute more, sir,
WESLEY: If this were a hundred times more powerful than it is. Why not try it with the real thing? Why not reverse fields on this, Ma'am? If we just need an extra minute,
MACDOUGAL: It would take weeks of laying out new circuits. :wtf::guffaw:
WESLEY: Why not just see it in your head? Come off the main lead, split off at the force activator, then, then. If I could just think straight about this...
^^^^
Yep, in the 24th century - setting a Tractor Beam to repel (which Scotty did a number of times in TOS) would take WEEKS of laying out new circuts...(and of course wizlid wesly DOES what ANY Starfleet Engineer should ahve done, or FURTHER - you'd think there WOULD be a 'Repel' setting already set up...but NOT in the 24th century.:rommie:

Then there was the universally loved and forward thinking episode:
- Code of Honor
^^^
And if you don't recall it - even the TNG staff later wondered what they were thinking when they approved and produced it as it's ACTUALLY quite racist and misogynistic.
^^^
Yep this was the first four hours of TNG as broadcast. It's a wonder they made it past the first 13 episodes. ;)
 
I went to almost every Trek con from '75 to 2002. I talked to a lot of people. I still have their letters. TNG did NOT get universal support, but we know how well the show was received by year 4.
You understand that modern shows don't tend to get even 2 seasons to find their legs with fans now days?
 
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