Discovery at STLV. The massive info dump

[UssGlenn]

Does anybody else think part of the design process for the Shenzhou was based on turning a completed design upside down and then modifying it? In addition to the Bridge on the bottom and deflector on top the the shuttlebay area is doing a great impression of an fantail undercut.

 

[137th Gebirg]

That phaser looks really good. Has Cage-like multi-muzzle - nice homage to both originals and basically a hybrid design. Very interesting. Probably one of the best weapon props since TFF/TUC's combat phasers, IMO.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

On a forum where people are still mad that Enterprise NX-01 looks like the Akira, you really think the Mawson and the Shenzhou "have little in common"?

Yes, from a design point they have very little in common. Its like saying the Conni and the galaxy look alike because they both have a saucer shape and nacelles on a secondary hull on the side.

While this may be true, it is still canon, and refits still do happen.

Just not as extensively as the TOS Connie to the TMP Connie was.

Refits are not done that way, not for a whole close they use for less than 20 years after a total redesign and rebuild. We have seen ships refit with armor and the very latest tech and zero change to the model.

 

[Yminale]

Yes, from a design point they have very little in common. Its like saying the Conni and the galaxy look alike because they both have a saucer shape and nacelles on a secondary hull on the side.

Well yeah they do look alike. You can tell there was some shared engineering principles.

As for refits, not sure what your point is since the refit from TOS to TMP is canon. There is also the Enterprise D refit in "All Good Things" . Starfleet also decide after decades of service to upgrade older Excelsior to the Enterprise B type (DS9 "Paradise Lost").

 

[mattyhugh]

Well yeah they do look alike. You can tell there was some shared engineering principles.

As for refits, not sure what your point is since the refit from TOS to TMP is canon. There is also the Enterprise D refit in "All Good Things" . Starfleet also decide after decades of service to upgrade older Excelsior to the Enterprise B type (DS9 "Paradise Lost").

I've always wondered about "Paradise Lost". Was that a matter of the Excelsior refit being a digital model verses practical?

 

[Yminale]

I've always wondered about "Paradise Lost". Was that a matter of the Excelsior refit being a digital model verses practical?

The Lakota model was based on the ENT-B. I believe it was used because it had higher level of detail (and mostly intact). Before than TNG used the old Excelsior model.

 

[Kemaiku]

Same model. They modified it for the Enterprise B but the glue fused the additions on permanently, so they had to just change the decals and use the design as it was.

 

[Jesse1066]

The Lakota/Ent B model was the original Excelsior model, made for TSFS. They modified it for Generations thinking they could change it back but they could not. Later, a new filming model was made, and it was finally replaced with CG shortly after.

 

[Yminale]

Same model. They modified it for the Enterprise B but the glue fused the additions on permanently, so they had to just change the decals and use the design as it was.

Thanks for the info

And now for all those people complaining about the Shenzhou and Discovery. I give you the glorified weirdness of the FASA models

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/FASA

 

[mattyhugh]

Thanks for the info

And now for all those people complaining about the Shenzhou and Discovery. I give you the glorified weirdness of the FASA models

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/FASA

Nice to see the Warp 4 ships represented

 

[Jesse1066]

I like the Loknar. That's a pretty decent design.

 

[Yminale]

You know what's funny. The Shenzou looks like the fan favorite Ares Class from ST:Axanar.

http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Ares_class

Which proves haters are going to hate and there is no reason for it.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Loved all the FASA ships. Ahh, the memories!

 

[Jesse1066]

You know what's funny. The Shenzou looks like the fan favorite Ares Class from ST:Axanar.

http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Ares_class

Which proves haters are going to hate and there is no reason for it.

Sure, the configuration is similar, but people liked the Ares Class because it looks like it could fit in TOS. The Shenzhou doesn't really, so it's no surprise that many people like one but not the other.

 

[Yminale]

Sure, the configuration is similar, but people liked the Ares Class because it looks like it could fit in TOS. The Shenzhou doesn't really, so it's no surprise that many people like one but not the other.

I can understand that but it's a different time period and Starfleet has a habit of keeping ships operational for decades (MIranda class and Excelsior class in TNG) and doing radical refits (Enterprise-A) and crazy stuff (Defiant). My point is design ascetics can't be used determine time period or technological complexity. In modern history, you can find radical designs that don't fit the time period. Maybe the Shenzhou is angular because of Stealth or armored or based on a less sophisticated understanding of warp mechanics.

 

[Tuskin38]

Refits are not done that way, not for a whole close they use for less than 20 years after a total redesign and rebuild. We have seen ships refit with armor and the very latest tech and zero change to the model.

I said that basically, second sentence.

 

[Jesse1066]

I can understand that but it's a different time period and Starfleet has a habit of keeping ships operational for decades (MIranda class and Excelsior class in TNG) and doing radical refits (Enterprise-A) and crazy stuff (Defiant). My point is design ascetics can't be used determine time period or technological complexity. In modern history, you can find radical designs that don't fit the time period. Maybe the Shenzhou is angular because of Stealth or armored or based on a less sophisticated understanding of warp mechanics.

I think the Shenzhou is just fine for the most part, but people who wanted a look closer to Axanar/TOS are understandably disappointed with it. The Shenzhou is different enough from the Ares that one can easily prefer one to the other with no hypocrisy.

 

[Noname Given]

You know what's funny. The Shenzou looks like the fan favorite Ares Class from ST:Axanar.

http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Ares_class

Which proves haters are going to hate and there is no reason for it.

No - it honestly doesn't.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

You know what's funny. The Shenzou looks like the fan favorite Ares Class from ST:Axanar.

http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Ares_class

Which proves haters are going to hate and there is no reason for it.

Its closer to the centaur in layout and design.

 

[Noname Given]

Its closer to the centaur in layout and design.

Or many of the fan-made TOS Miranda Class designs: