Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

[GeekUSACarl]

I thought the newest episode of Orville was HILLARIOUS!

Seriously, the leg, I mean come on that was funny.

We're never going to get humor like that on discovery, we're never going to get discovery level suspense or action on orville.

 

[Gonzo]

Also, there's no reason I can't enjoy both. This whole thing was embarrassing when it was Kirk or Picard but I think most people still enjoyed it as a funny conversation point. Here, it's like it's opposing football teams when they're both in the same city you live in.

I watch Orville for funny laughs and an optimistic story.

I watch Discovery for Klingons and seeing the Federation under siege.

It's like saying I can't enjoy The Tick and Batman both.

"Oh Go Tell It On The Mountain!"

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Here, it's like it's opposing football teams when they're both in the same city you live in.

To me it feels more like "Cleveland Cavs vs AZ Diamond Backs

I get it, ships, space, but that's really all they have in common, I honestly don't think they are alike enough.

 

[Albinator]

As a fan of both shows to varying degrees, I must ask where did he "self-proclaim" the show as a "new(!)" genre??

Maybe it wasn't McFarlane himself, but...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/orville-series-premiere-explained-1036923

'The Orville' Producers Break Down Series Premiere: "This Is a New Genre"

 

[Albinator]

You know I literally mean lighting, right?

As in the bridge isn't brightly lit on Discovery vs. Orville.

vs.

I feel like this is a more personal issue for you than it should be.

But yes, LIGHT and OPEN SPACES.

Vs.

Dark and dreary.

It's like a submarine on the Discovery.

Exactly. The snarky comment was about Discovery, not Generations
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I'm not sure why you're getting a personal vibe here. I don't even watch Orville, and I'm happy other people are enjoying it. I just find the comparisons tiresome.

My point with graphics was to show that most Trek bridges are not always bright like others seem to suggest, and Discovery's look is not far off from what we've seen before, and is in fact quite consistent-- so the little jab in an otherwise fair and innocuous post was just the poster being a dick.

The only reason people are comparing the two shows is timing. If the shows weren't debuting at the same time we wouldn't have this discussion.

As for your mention of submarines, remember it was Nick Meyer who wanted that feeling on TWOK and after, feeling Starfleet should be more like the Navy. Which is in fact quite true: Starships are more like Subs than luxury liners.

Which does explain the E-D: which was indeed a luxury liner, in comparison to other Trek ships, as they had families and civilians on board.

So it should look like a sub.

 

[fireproof78]

Frankly, Orville is living off the Trek connections and homages. Without them, I'm not sure how it would survive. Almost every comment I read is comparing it to past Trek (positively of course), and saying how "true to trek" it is.

Take all the Trek homages away, visually and otherwise, and would anyone care?

You've got it all backwards, and its so amusing.

Yes, people would care. People like my dad, who enjoys science fiction for the sake of it, my wife who likes fun characters, my friends who don't like science fiction but enjoy comedy, etc.

I don't care if it "feels" like Trek (to me, it doesn't save for in very superficial ways). It's a well done show in its own right and moving past the comparisons will do both shows a favor.

 

[Vger23]

Yes, people would care. People like my dad, who enjoys science fiction for the sake of it, my wife who likes fun characters, my friends who don't like science fiction but enjoy comedy, etc.

I don't care if it "feels" like Trek (to me, it doesn't save for in very superficial ways). It's a well done show in its own right and moving past the comparisons will do both shows a favor.

Comparisons serve one purpose only at this point:

An insecure person who really likes one but hopes the other will fail miserably is going to bang this drum. Otherwise it's a meaningless and self-defeating path to attack one and proclaim the virtues of the other.

Again...we love to be absolutists on the interwebs. You're either with us or against us.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Again...we love to be absolutists on the interwebs. You're either with us or against us.

even worse with politics. you're either with us or a merchant of death.

id rather be pedantic over star trek. safer that way

 

[fireproof78]

Comparisons serve one purpose only at this point:

An insecure person who really likes one but hopes the other will fail miserably is going to bang this drum. Otherwise it's a meaningless and self-defeating path to attack one and proclaim the virtues of the other.

Again...we love to be absolutists on the interwebs. You're either with us or against us.

Well, I'm against you...on the principle of the matter

even worse with politics. you're either with us or a merchant of death.

id rather be pedantic over star trek. safer that way

I'm also against you...nothing personal

Also, on a more serious note, I am truly dismayed at the lack of open dialog in many spheres of life. That, alone, makes me weep.

 

[Borgminister]

Maybe it wasn't McFarlane himself, but...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/orville-series-premiere-explained-1036923

'The Orville' Producers Break Down Series Premiere: "This Is a New Genre"

Braga (no surprise there) and Goodman... so not McFarlane.

OK.

 

[fireproof78]

Braga (no surprise there) and Goodman... so not McFarlane.

OK.

*passes salt*

 

[Borgminister]

*passes salt*

No need for popcorn--I just wanted clarification... Seems rather arrogant to claim an entire new genre, but... who knows.

Also, careful:

http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/Gimpel-4.png

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

How is Galaxy Quest with extra dick and fart jokes a new genre?

 

[Charles Phipps]

Actually, I meant First Contact as I for some reason thought that was the Sovereign-class one but that was a brain fart on my part.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

If that's your opinion of Orville then that's all fair. Except for the snarky line at the end that is a clear comparison to the stupid criticism of Discovery's lighting. You through that in there to be a dick.

Man, you just don't learn, do you?

Infraction for flaming. Comments to PM.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

If that's your opinion of Orville then that's all fair. Except for the snarky line at the end that is a clear comparison to the stupid criticism of Discovery's lighting. You through that in there to be a dick.

Man, you just don't learn, do you?

Infraction for flaming. Comments to PM.

 

[Tesophius]

Never before have we had a key cast member who was said to be involved in a major incident that became a cornerstone of their character had that incident so thoroughly explored out of the gate. We could have started with Ep.3 and been told through dialog about Burnham's actions at the Battle of The Binary Stars, but instead we saw the entire incident, in full, as a 2-part episode. A very bold move.

Between a boring bold move and the lost opportunity to have already been two interesting (ideas filled) episodes in, I'd choose the latter. Considering how short the season is, I really don't understand the need to have wasted two episodes on developing a character which people now dislike.

 

[starmike]

I always found the ideas to be more important than the characters. The latter are just there for us to experience the events through them. So far STD has been doing worse than the Orville.

Based on what? Oh and can you tell us who wins the Super Bowl in February?

 

[Tesophius]

Based on what? Oh and can you tell us who wins the Super Bowl in February?

There have been no ideas introduced in STD. In The Orville every episode has explored something new.
I don't know what you mean by super balls.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

There have been no ideas introduced in STD. In The Orville every episode has explored something new.
I don't know what you mean by super balls.

eh.... orville hasnt really introduced anything we havent seen before. bortus and his kid is real close but the "one world has one stance and ours is morally opposed" thing isnt exactly new either.