Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

[Campe]

I talked about design influences, not just the tiny things, not just the bridge, the whole thing. Those are just some examples. Early TNG in particular is showing that influence in the seventies /eighties line, just on its TV budget. I won't even go to first contact and the Borg, as that's fish in a barrel.

You talked mainly about the TNG Enterprise sets being influenced by Alien and in turn influencing Dark Matter. We showed you photographic evidence that perhaps that's not correct. Then you went on a tangent about androids and dialogue and now we're on to other things about the jellyfish aliens.

I'm not trying to gang up on you here but @CorporalCaptain is right. You do keep moving the goalposts. Personally, I'd just like to see what it is you're directly speaking of. You can't post pics. Fine. Copy a picture location or website address into the post. There may be JavaScript issues on the site but we've given you plenty of opportunity to prove your point and offered suggestions how to do so. But just saying something is true doesn't make it so and might not convince us.

A picture, after all, is worth a thousand words.

 

[Sci]

Nostalgia has been proven not to work... See TFA and Rogue One.................

Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens has a critics score of 92% and an audience score of 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. It is the 11th highest grossing film of all time in the United States and Canada adjusted for inflation, and was the fastest film in history to gross $1 billion. It has a total box office gross of $2.068 billion.

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story has a critics score of 85% and an audience score of 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. It grossed $1.056 billion, and was the second highest-grossing film of 2016.

Both of these films were enormously successful. By any meaningful definition, they worked.

 

[Jesse1066]

I'm reasonably certain that shady12 was being sarcastic.

 

[Markonian]

Do we know if there'll be more trailers or insights into The Orville before the series launches?

 

[TrekE]

Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens has a critics score of 92% and an audience score of 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. It is the 11th highest grossing film of all time in the United States and Canada adjusted for inflation, and was the fastest film in history to gross $1 billion. It has a total box office gross of $2.068 billion.

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story has a critics score of 85% and an audience score of 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. It grossed $1.056 billion, and was the second highest-grossing film of 2016.

Both of these films were enormously successful. By any meaningful definition, they worked.

Bridge to engineering. Scotty, the sarcasm meter is broken again.

 

[publiusr]

I like the simple set of Orville.
They aren't trying to be too slick.

 

[Mudd]

 

[RAMA]

Orville looks like what it is..a parody version of STNG. Flatly lit, with some 2017 effects. It looks like a tv show.

Discovery looks like what it is: A big budget mini-movie with cutting edge production and FX.

 

[F. King Daniel]

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I wonder if he can use contractions?

 

[jaime]

I wonder if he can use contractions?

That depends on if he is dilated to 10cm.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I think you might be on to something. However, it might be something else, too: The Orville is a (seemingly affectionate) parody show that isn't the future of the Trek franchise on tv. DSC is the official thing, so we really, really need it to be good. If MacFarlane's show fails (and I liked the trailer even though I positively loathe pretty much everything he does), that'll mean nothing to any of us. There are no stakes. If DSC fails, however, that's bound to have repercussions for the ST franchise as a whole. That's why reactions are less tense to MacFarlane, I think.

Of course, I'm not saying that is the only explanation that is true forever and applies to all. People will prefer one show (show's trailer) over the other for a number of reasons.

I don't think that the Star Trek franchise will suffer if Discovery fails; there'll still be the Star Trek movies, and the franchise will continue with those-there's no big need to have Star Trek be on TV 'just because'.

As for this 'Orville' thing, who cares? It's just a parody, one of many on TV.

 

[mos6507]

As for this 'Orville' thing, who cares? It's just a parody, one of many on TV.

The reason people care is that at the time Galaxy Quest came out many people realized that the film struck a more authentic Trek tone than the Trek still being produced at the time. So for disaffected Trek fans, it was a good substitute for "good" Trek. Many are looking at The Orville as being the more purist alternative to Discovery. More of an accurate homage with comedy rather than something that attempts to simply attack and tear down Trek.

 

[Mudd]

...at the time Galaxy Quest came out many people realized that the film struck a more authentic Trek tone than the Trek still being produced at the time.

The accurate phrase here is not "realized that..." but "deceived themselves that..."

 

[Trekkin]

The reason people care is that at the time Galaxy Quest came out many people realized that the film struck a more authentic Trek tone than the Trek still being produced at the time.

Leaving aside for a moment that I think that entire hypothesis is a load of bunk ('many people' eh?) The 'Trek being produced at the time' was TNG, VOY, DS9.

The only other live-action Trek in existence was TOS.

Meaning Galaxy Quest was apparently authentic to the tone of a quarter of the franchise. 25%. A tiny, little, itsy-bitsy minority segment of it, Even less than that, if you count the yet-to-exist ENT and Kelvin.

In other words: Not very 'Star Trek tone' faithful at all.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The 'Trek being produced at the time' was TNG, VOY, DS9.

The only other live-action Trek in existence was TOS.

Actually the only Trek being produced/released in 1999 was DS9 and VOY. The only completed live-action TV Trek in existence was TOS and TNG.

 

[Trekkin]

I was considering NEM as the ending to TNG's little franchise branch.

It's tagline said I had to.

 

[mos6507]

Leaving aside for a moment that I think that entire hypothesis is a load of bunk ('many people' eh?)
...
In other words: Not very 'Star Trek tone' faithful at all.

Here's your "many people" for you. Deny it all you want, take issue with it, hate it, whatever, but it doesn't change the fact many Trek fans really do treat the film as if it's Trek.

 

[Trekkin]

Here's your "many people" for you. Deny it all you want, take issue with it, hate it, whatever, but it doesn't change the fact many Trek fans really do treat the film as if it's Trek.

That link is going to be that supposed 200 people from five years ago, isn't it? The ones who 'voted' by hollering at a stage.

Unreliable and unverifiable means of voting aside, excuse me if I don't consider 200 people (at best) to be 'many' fans. Not when ENT at it's most unpopular and niche-y was still managing to pull in millions of viewers.

Instead, that 'tiny minority' phrase is springing to mind again.

 

[Campe]

That link is going to be that supposed 200 people from five years ago, isn't it? The ones who 'voted' by hollering at a stage.

Unreliable and unverifiable means of voting aside, excuse me if I don't consider 200 people (at best) to be 'many' fans. Not when ENT at it's most unpopular and niche-y was still managing to pull in millions of viewers.

Instead, that 'tiny minority' phrase is springing to mind again.

I thought it was 100 people actually.

 

[Amaris]

Okay, since you won't post pictures to prove your point, I'll post pics to disprove them.

First, let's see a few TNG pics...

Oh wow! I never noticed that the red segment of the carpet was crescent shaped. I thought it was a circle. Neat!