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Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

Except - using your comparison to being gay or transgender - the message at the end of the episode that came over to me is actually that society will only accept the individual if they live a heteronormative cis life and that conforming to those expectations are in the childs best interest.
I didn't see that at all.

For one thing, the decision of the Moclan tribunal was not portrayed as something that the lead humans agreed with. They were instead fighting against the decision of the child's parents at every stage throughout the episode. Any message has to be filtered through the moral perspective of the show, which in this case was defined mainly by Mercer, Grayson, and Finn.

If anything, the episode was pointing out that people who pressure or force others to conform often believe that they are acting in the best interests of those they are pressuring or forcing, but that's not the same thing as siding with their position. As @Serveaux said, it was also making the point that people tend to stick to their beliefs and ignore evidence.

Therefore, IMO, the episode was an allegory for the obstacles that transgender people face. But it also presented itself as an allegory for the obstacles that women face, and therefore also any class of people who are discriminated against and pressured to conform in some way.

By quite clearly saying "This is the wrong way to treat people," the episode in no way endorsed the position of the Moclans or anything in correspondence with it in allegory.

With others, I suspect that this particular story may not be over.
 
I have a prediction: The Orville gets a second season, but Fox demand the humour be cranked up to match what the trailers promised.

And season two tanks. Fandom cries. Lots of Orville cosplay at conventions for decades to come.
 
I'm excited as balls for Discovery, but I am pleasantly surprised by Orville. I was afraid it'd get old QUICK as a parody show...like and SNL sketch that goes on for too long, then becomes a recurring one, week after week...but it's more than parody, and, though I don't know how long they can keep it going, I'm really enjoying it. I especially like the TNG bits that Trek proper has forgotten, hello, people like -- certainly McFarlane and the execs who're putting the show on air, thirty years later. Now if it becomes a ratings success, or even if it doesn't, I hope Discovery takes a few notes.

But the right ones. One of the things that have me excited about Discovery is how new and different it is from the last Trek series (plural). They're really going for it. If they don't mess up the soul of the "franchise"...I still hate that word...I'll be ecstatic to have two Trek/ish series to enjoy.
 
Orville has been a surprise, It could of been a lot worse, giving Seth McFarlane's track record. Then again, huge Trek fan, doubt he'd want to "poke fun at it" and or "poke holes in it" it's more Homage then outright farce / parody / satire, that can be a blessing and a curse, if Fox wants it to be something it shouldn't be, after all the first ads kinda swung it that way...

As for Disco...
Well, it's a wait and see thing...
We'll know more in 24 hours...
Give or take a few ;-)
 
I have a prediction: The Orville gets a second season, but Fox demand the humour be cranked up to match what the trailers promised.

And season two tanks. Fandom cries. Lots of Orville cosplay at conventions for decades to come.
I had not thought of that, but that makes perfect sense. They spent money on advertising it as a Seth comedy for a reason
 
I think there's a good chance they get a second year - right now - but not that it becomes the kind of show King Daniel is suggesting.

McFarlane doesn't need Fox that badly.
 
I have a prediction: The Orville gets a second season, but Fox demand the humour be cranked up to match what the trailers promised.

And season two tanks. Fandom cries. Lots of Orville cosplay at conventions for decades to come.
I don't think so. I think Fox would sell it off before that happens.
 
I can imagine season two being on FX.

That has a decent possibility if the ratings drop below reasonableness for FOX. Sadly it means I likely won’t watch the show. I don’t do cable and I don’t enjoy it enough to pay more for it than I do with Hulu.
 
I have a prediction: The Orville gets a second season, but Fox demand the humour be cranked up to match what the trailers promised.

And season two tanks. Fandom cries. Lots of Orville cosplay at conventions for decades to come.
The Orville needs to get an order for the remaining 9 to 11 episodes of Season 1 (IDK whether FOX's standard in 22 or 24 episodes a season these days.)

Right now - there's just a 13 episode order.
 
The Orville needs to get an order for the remaining 9 to 11 episodes of Season 1 (IDK whether FOX's standard in 22 or 24 episodes a season these days.)

Right now - there's just a 13 episode order.

That is the part I don't understand. Normally showing looking for a back 9 order stay in production while waiting word however Orville has finished filming the 13 episodes and shut down (think they are still work on SFX and post, but actors are done). So it almost looks like 13 is all they are planning for this year.
 
That is the part I don't understand. Normally showing looking for a back 9 order stay in production while waiting word however Orville has finished filming the 13 episodes and shut down (think they are still work on SFX and post, but actors are done). So it almost looks like 13 is all they are planning for this year.
Ah, didn't know that - I have to wonder if they just gave the 13 to Seth and let him star in it to 'get it out of his system' as (like The Simpsons) Family Guy is still working well for FOX <--- So maybe they just wanted to keep Seth happy? (Again, I like the show, and I'm sure FOX hinks they'll make money in the end regardless, as Seth does have his own engaged fanbase.)
 
Ah, didn't know that - I have to wonder if they just gave the 13 to Seth and let him star in it to 'get it out of his system' as (like The Simpsons) Family Guy is still working well for FOX <--- So maybe they just wanted to keep Seth happy? (Again, I like the show, and I'm sure FOX hinks they'll make money in the end regardless, as Seth does have his own engaged fanbase.)

From the wikipedia article...

Filming[edit]
On August 24, 2016, Jon Favreau signed on to direct the pilot.[39] Production on the pilot episode began in late 2016, and the rest of the episodes began filming on March 27, 2017.[31] Production wrapped on August 23, 2017.[29]
 
To me it's the TNG straight to syndication thing all over again. Not to mention, the subsequent season WILL be cheaper. They pumped so much money right away that could have theoretically been spread over years that it's like they specifically planned it that way. I read somewhere that in the trailers it shows 5 distinct classes of federation ship? What were their, like four in all seven years of TNG? Lol. Not to mention uniforms weapons etc. All one time costs
That would be more like if they sold each episode to the major streaming services. What's happening with discovery feels like it has more in common with Voyager, as in using a new Trek series to launch a new Network, competing with much larger networks. It worked for a while. How many new ships were introduced in Voyager? Hundreds? Every ship in TNG had to be physically built from scratch.
 
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