Disco Writer used the N word in the writers room.

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  1. DonIago

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    Since it's still being bounced around, as we have no idea who actually notified HR, we have no way to know whether it was anyone even remotely affiliated with the writers themselves.
     
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  2. eschaton

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    So, a terrible thought crossed my mind:

    Walter Mosley is biracial, and very light skinned. Like a lot of older biracial/light skinned black guys, he's getting paler as he gets older:

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    Could someone in the writers' room just have literally not known that he was black, thus taking the "n word" being dropped in an entirely different manner?
     
  3. BeatleJWOL

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  4. Serveaux

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  5. Rahul

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    This would be so immensely absurd - moving this whole story deep into sad comedy territory - and yet, such a level of lack of research in the DIS' writer's room would be anything but surprising.
     
  6. Bad Thoughts

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    Yes, I had that thought, although I'm not sure the photograph is accurately showing his skin color. As I get older, I am getting darker, and more people are finding it easier to zero in on my ethnicity.
     
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  7. Professor Zoom

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    That would require said person to have absolutely no idea who Walter Mosley is... I cannot fathom a writers room where the writers didn't IMDB or google everyone in the room they didn't know.

    So. No.
     
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  8. cultcross

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    Plus, would it really make that much difference? The point isn't that he had a licence to use a word because he was black, Moseley was allegedly recounting an event that happened to him. His actual ethnicity isn't half as relevant to the story as the cop's assumption of his ethnicity and the subsequent treatment of him because of that. The event still happened whatever ethnicity he is.
    If I were stopped and turned over because a cop thought I was Irish, the fact that I'm not wouldn't make him any less prejudiced.
     
  9. Lord Garth

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    In March of 2004, at a subway station, I put a cup down while rushing to make it to a subway train on-time (stupid move on my part). The cop there wanted to see my ID. Then he saw my last name. I tried to put as much distance between myself and the last name as possible. "I'm from America, but the last name is Iranian," I said. Then he said, "Ohhh... a Middle-Easterner?" He thought he found himself a terrorist. Then he started YELLING IN ALL CAPITALS into a mic and did check on me. And I could just hear the disappointment in his voice when he said I "came up negative" and that I wasn't wanted for anything.
     
  10. TommyR01D

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    Try topping this:
     
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  11. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

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    Sounds like a Hierarchy of Oppression to me and a really twisted way to say a minority persons view/opinion doesn't count unless they've experienced x amount of suffering.

    Except it's not the 'extreme fringe saying' these things and who are the liberal extreme wing by the way?

    I don't care who has or hasn't read the book the point is that it is used in a racist context by liberals because of the understandable emotive response it elicits in black people. So in your view, is calling a black conservative 'Uncle Tom' or 'House N***** by liberals 'extreme fringe' or not, right or wrong? Because it sure seems like it's sanctioned because the left does it.
     
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    Kareem is my dude no question. I'm a huge Lakers fan, but this is just wrong.

    When it comes to issues like this there has to be a 'one size fits all' policy. That is the only way a company can address grievances AND protect itself. After all, the person who uttered the offensive word or remark is not the one who will have to defend the lawsuit or pay out the settlement or judgement. As I keep saying, you cannot have a work place free speech policy that is based on race or gender, etc. A policy like that is a dead bang loser in court.

    HR policies on these types of issues are based on companies' fear of expensive lawsuits, nothing more. I don't hold that against them even if a company claims that it's policies based on the fact that they have a conscience.
     
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    The overwhelming majority of American liberals do not support Antifa, they hold different beliefs from them, they reject their militancy, and they have nothing to do with them.
     
  14. Bad Thoughts

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    You've misrepresented @Rahul in a sever manner. He is suggesting no such hierarchy. As a person of color, I clearly understood that Rahul was writing about the complex experiences of different minority groups. I believe you owe him an apology.
     
  15. Bad Thoughts

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    Kareem is a great guy. When I was young, I worked in a record store south of Westwood in LA ("the Wherehouse"). He came in all the time.

    I disagree with him on condemning zero tolerance, but if he thinks there is a conversation worth having, let's have it.
     
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  16. Guy Gardener

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    Why do we think that a liberal agenda values pc language above black rights? Liberal to me means treating every one nice, even Australians.

    Walter passing for white (Breaking Bad movie coming out soon!) would probably only work if the complainant was a menial/temp on the other side of the room, and they do not hear the complete story. All they see/hear is a white guy screaming n####r over and over, for no reason.
     
  17. Lord Garth

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    I try to avoid using the terms "liberal" and "conservative". If someone doesn't have what they want, they'll want to change things until they do. Once they have what they want, they don't want to change it.

    In regards to "zero tolerance", I don't believe in it because I think sometimes a situation calls for someone to look at a situation and use judgment. Zero Tolerance spares anyone from having to make judgment at all because it's automatic.

    We only have one side of the story but I don't think it was necessary to drag HR in. Whoever it was could've gone to Michelle Paradise or Alex Kurtzman and let them handle the situation internally. HR should be a last resort.
     
  18. Guy Gardener

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    If Michelle and Alex cocked up the situation, they could have become liable.

    As long as you follow the HR manual, you cannot be personally sued... Or get fired for ignoring the HR manual... Which is eventually what happened when the HR clerk did not fire Walter.

    You gotta wonder if that clerk is still on the payroll?
     
  19. Agony_Boothb

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    Good for you. As a person of colour myself, I disagree with you. Who would have thought that two strangers with different worldviews would interpret a statement differently.
     
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  20. nutshell

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    Assuming this happened in a California. Under California law, a person merely hearing a race-based slur can bring a claim whether directed at that person or not. No doubt CBS’s policy mirrors the law or is even more protective.
     
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