Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Cyanide Muffin, Sep 7, 2019.
Or we could not and get back on the topic in the title.
The writing won't "suffer" without Moseley. We simply won't get to see what he would have brought to season 3 of DSC. And that's too bad. But I trust that the season will still be as well written as the first two have been.
In any case, I invite you to at least wait until the season streams before starting a round of bashing.
Someone has already been sacrificed, Jayson, Walter Moseley.
i don't know how much experience you have working in a corporate setting, but what you describe above is just one way of dealing with situations such as these.
The person who made the complaint may have wanted assurances that their identity remain confidential. HR departments offer these guarantees. You could go to your immediate supervisor and ask for anonymity but it is less of a sure thing. And what if the supervisor mishandles the situation? If he/she does, it could end up costing a company multi millions of dollars.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if CBS's employee handbook advises employees specifically NOT to report instances of racial insensitivity or sexual harassment etc, or any number of serious employee related problems.
Sometimes, even though it sounds like common sense to you, in the real world, it doesn't work.
Thats what I'm afraid of.....
Everyone - this is not liberal Vs conservative, this is not trading in credentials to be allowed to have opinions. It is a discussion of a specific incident that took place among Discovery's writing staff.
Please stay on this topic; unrelated partisan point scoring will result in thread bans.
Don't forget insurance companies.
Neverending insurance premiums go up a little bit, more than the company has to pay out 80 million dollars to any one objectified secretary and risk the company folding.
First of all, keep in mind that "the black experience" in countries with a history of strong, institutionalised Apartheid like South Africa or America might be radically different than what you experience in your country.
Second, your use of "Uncle Tom" suggests your mostly battling with "liberals" on the internet, aka the extreme fringe, which... is still miles better than stormfront, because not all extremes are the same.
And lastly, everyone that uses "uncle Tom" as a slur has never actually read the book, but is only familiar with the historically revisionist racist minstrel show interpretation of it.
So, it'll pretty much blow?
I really don't think DIS is atrocious, and it's actually better written than the large majority of what else is on television right now (some standout flagship shows notwithstanding).
In fact - if it weren't holding the 'Star Trek' label, much less being set in such an iconic timeframe as Kirk & Spock's - I would honestly think it's a pretty good approximation of what a modern take on the space opera genre should be. A bit flawed (especially regarding technobabble and plot coherency), but strong in other aspects (acting, production, etc.).
It really only fails measured up to the immense expectations, of Star Trek in general, and the TOS era in particular.
But judged entirely on it's own? I think it's ... fine?
I am a little confused with the timeline. If this incident happened under the new show runner it could be a indication the writing will get worst even if one likes how it has been done in the past. Jason
When it comes to the final product, we have to separate what happens behind-the-scenes from what the completed episode looks like. When I watch, I judge the what's on screen, not the studio politics that went on behind it.
"Brother" and "New Eden" were made underneath Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts, and a lot of people who don't like or outright hate Discovery have admitted they like those episodes. Yet Berg and Harberts, as we now know, were horrible showrunners behind-the-scenes.
As I've said in the past, I'm a Doylist, not a Watsonian. I tend to find behind-the-scenes reports about the how and the why when it comes to episodes gelling far more interesting than theorizing about how it makes sense within continuity,
They were crappy managers, but I'm not sure we can say they were horrible showrunners, since that involves a lot of other tasks besides managing the writer's room.
That said, I do think that - while the mid-season plot arc rewrite was crazy - when Kurtzman was in charge we saw a lot better coordination of the visual/directorial side of the show and the writing, which is one of the key responsibilities of a showrunner.
That's a fair enough distinction between responsibilities as manager and responsibilities as showrunner. I'm inclined to think one pattern of behavior in one setting will transfer over to another if given the opportunity.
Kareem Abdul Jabar wrote an article about this in defense of Mosley.
I provided a link to the article for you.
For the article itself...
I agree with everything Kareem said here.
And this sums up my position on Zero Tolerance policies. To me "zero tolerance" sounds good on paper but in practice turns into another form of intolerance. Like I said earlier in the thread, several pages back, I think Zero Tolerance is ridiculous.
This isn't going to effect my opinion of the third season when I watch it. But this was definitely not the writing staff's finest moment.
Posted like one who has never worked for any media companies, where black people have complained for decades about only being allowed to voice their opinion when the white liberal establishment tells them it fits within what is handed down from their Ivory Seat of Culturally Sanctioned Thought.
Condescending and offensive. Then again, your post is more concerned about protecting modern liberalism than being concerned--to any degree--with the struggles of black people. Exactly the point I and others are making.
All too true. Its an epidemic in every corner of the Western world, but thankfully, more black people are calling that out and not wiling to be the glassy-eyed lemmings the white liberal establishment apparently want them to be.
Again, all too true, but the savage beating suffered by Andrew Ngo is largely swept under the carpet because he "dares" to think for himself. He paid a price for that.
Well said. As you see, some expose their true concern; ultimately, they do not give a damn about Mosley, his life experiences or the struggles of black people, as they have spent pages defending the white liberal establishment and their overreactions. That is their only concern, not a black man's right to express his own life/identity and history, which--as I've said before--is not to be controlled, shackled or modified by those with no understanding of his plight, while trying (as always) to apply their "we know best" white liberal paternalism to his life, and from the broad replies--the lives of black people everywhere.
Oh, I expect denials, more attempts to attack anyone who posts legitimate criticism of the white liberal establishment (particularly in entertainment), but its a doomed-to-fail tactic, when an increasing number of black people in America are standing up to expose/challenge the kind of judgement experienced Mosely and other black people in that business.
Andrew Ngo is his own worst enemy and really is not the best example to bring up on either side of this conversation.
What did zero tolerance mean? The event was documented and investigated. Human resources explained the policy and let Mosley go without punishment. Yes, it was a zero tolerance policy, but it must be acknowledged that the response was the minimum necessary.
"The one-size-fits-all condom of policies." Now I know what kind of wording to use if I ever want to object to some unreasonable policy at a company that I work for.
Depending on the company, they'll usually tell, clarify, or remind someone about policy verbally before issuing something formal later on. It's a way to make sure that if action is taken for something similar later on, an employee can't say "I didn't know".
One time, when I was 19, a friend of mine had a boyfriend who opened up a comic book store. Independently run. He was his own boss. He told me something that I still remember to this day. "Do you know what's better than Corporate America? Everything else."
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