Disco Season 3, "Genesis II", and "Andromeda"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Commodore Commodore

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    I'm going to be Shocked if the Time Travelers Dulmur (well maybe not him as the actor who played him passed away in 2017) and Lucsly or daniels (Matt Winston) or Lieutenant Ducane (Jay Karnes) don't appear in Season 3 as they will probably be like, "WTF were you guys thinking?"
     
  2. Tim Thomason

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    The Discovery is classified in the 23rd century, and knowledge of it suppressed or dwindling in the 24th, but by the 31st/32nd, that info might've come to light, and its use of spore drive and fight against AI might be seen as quaint in an age of slipstream and rights for all sentients.

    It could be seen as legendary by the V'Draysh/Federation. They could have a welcoming party and all sorts of uplifting jazz. You know, before they turn out to be a bunch of organ harvesters.
     
  3. valkyrie013

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    Read plenty of books, even star trek books, that deal with the rise and fall of civilizations, Here its only been a thousand years, so kind of a blink of the eye for galaxy time scale..
    You have a few options for the federation:
    1. Its fine, and dandy still tooting along as is, just bigger.
    2. It has completly imploded and doesnt' exist..
    3. Something happened and it "splintered" in to new "countries" as it were.. say similar to the soviet breakup..
    4. It was invaded by an alien and sundered.. ala a big borg invasion..
    5. It rose, then it stagnated, and planets started to leave it ( something like that cartoon that was cancelled)
    6. Kind of an alegory to today with the federal government.. after a number of wars, invasions, etc. the federation gets more dictatorial, and start doing things "for the greater good" and puts the needs of its "States" on the back burner and maybe Alchor 4 was trying to get out of the federation.. So not exactly a "Bad Federation" but one that has lost its way and maybe Disco Inferno can teach them to be better..
     
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  4. Serveaux

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    I'll be shocked if anyone ever even thinks about them.
     
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  5. F. King Daniel

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    From the people who made loads of weirdly specific references to ENT during season one?

    Common sense says not to bring up elements of unpopular/unsuccessful Trek in their new show. Discovery writers disagree.:shrug:
     
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  6. Tim Thomason

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    Contrary to what you may think is best, and what some claim to be the case, Discovery is the most referential Star Trek series in the franchise. They're going to be in or around the 31st century. The previous iteration of the 31st century will probably be addressed, in a particularly cringeworthy and eye-rolling manner.
     
  7. Cosmic Consciousness

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    What does that even mean?
     
  8. Lord Garth

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    I can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree with Serveaux. I don't think they'll be seen or referenced. The whole point of jumping so far ahead was to get away from everything else.

    All TNG/DS9/VOY references will go to Picard. If the third season of Discovery refers back to previous Trek at all, it'll be whatever stood out the most. It's not going to be Dulmer and Lucly.

    Alex Kurtzman's words:
    He's not saying that they're erasing previous Trek but it will have been so long ago that it won't matter. Doesn't exactly sound like they'll have different characters from other series showing up willy-nilly at random, given when they are.

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    DSC will be taking place in the 32nd Century. 3187 to be exact. The most likely explanation is the 31st Century in ENT is that it was just a possible future. Not the future future. If anyone needs an explanation there are two:

    1. The Temperal Cold War. It makes no sense. And whatever happened, everything was probably undone at the end. So it's like it never happened.

    2. Gabrielle Burnham changed the future so many times going back and forth in time that whatever happened in the future before was probably all invalidated.

    Both work for me.
     
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  9. Serveaux

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    Nothing. Nothing at all.
     
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  10. Tim Thomason

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    References other Star Trek shows. Some say it's not "real Star Trek" because they "never" reference something from TOS or Enterprise, but they *always* reference TOS or Enterprise or TNG or whatever. They devoted an entire episode to following up The Cage. They had Harry Mudd show up as a recurring antagonist. They made a sequel to In a Mirror, Darkly.

    They can't help themselves. It's just what they do. Star Trek: Picard will take care of some dangling 24th century threads, Lower Decks will probably have some sort of tongue-in-cheek nods to everything, and Discovery 3 will do some nod, however slight, to the known temporal shenanigans of the era.
     
  11. Cosmic Consciousness

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    Nah, you said "most referential." All you've done here is tell me what "referential" means, and I already knew that.
     
  12. Lord Garth

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    They'll reference ENT in a way that makes sense. If it makes sense to come up. The Federation was still around in the 31st Century. If it's not still around in the 32nd, it fell or became something else.

    If they reference the Temporal Cold War, see my previous post. From what I understand, the Temporal Cold War wasn't too popular even with ENT fans. So I don't know why they'd want to reference it. The stuff they're referencing seems to be the Greatest Hits.

    "In the Mirror Darkly" is an episode people liked, so of course they referenced it. And since they had Georgiou already know what happened in "In the Mirror Darkly" that meant the Prime Universe didn't have to be explained to her, so they could keep the pace moving. That's why they did it.
     
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  13. Tim Thomason

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    Sorry. It means it is more referential than previous series, in my opinion. I don't have the ability to measure whether, for example, if Enterprise as a prequel had more references (it does have a fair bit), or if DS9 somehow topped the meter with its MU episodes, so I could be objectively wrong.

    It just seems that Discovery goes a long way to bring up threads from series in interesting or odd ways. Nothing wrong with that (continuity is my jam), but a little disconcerting when people claim it not to be the case at all.
     
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  15. Tim Thomason

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    They've incorporated the technology into their turboshafts.
     
  16. Ralphis

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    I acknowledge that a kind of dystopian future seems likely, especially when you consider Kurtzman's style. But I can't help but think that that's what they want us to think and are going to throw us a curve ball.

    But if there is dystopian, I hope it's "post war" and their focus is trying to restore something that resembles Federation values... maybe not for the galaxy, but for themselves. I guess similar to Andromeda (I remember watching the show, but I don't remember too much from it other than I had a pathetic crush on Lexa Doig). I just don't know if I'd like another season spent on war.
     
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  17. Cosmic Consciousness

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    Exactly.

    Plus, DS9 has Klingon episodes galore, including episodes involving TOS Klingon characters. It has an episode set inside a TOS episode, with characters inserted into original series footage. Not to mention, the situation between the Cardassians and the Bajorans is a direct follow-up to events set up in TNG, and Sisko's story begins in "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II." That's just for starters.

    Try as it might, TNG itself has lots of references back to TOS. TAS is highly "referential" of TOS, both in terms of having episodes that are direct sequels and in terms of using main and guest TOS characters and locations.

    The issue is that it's unnecessary to try to establish DISCO as the most referential of any of the spinoffs, and anyway it's impossible to objectively establish it as such.

    Yes, DISCO definitely references TOS continuity, and does so as an essential ingredient, no question about it, though not exclusively.
     
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  18. Muffin Of Doom

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    You are by no means alone. I liked Andromeda too and even season 5 to a degree, well parts of it anyway.

    I think the Commonwealth fell right about the time of Rhade's betrayal and on the day or days after the ship got stranded. It happened suddenly.


    "Welcome brave crew of the USS Discovery"
    "Welcome and enjoy, and thankyou for your spleens and other bits."
     
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  19. guyute03

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    Never seen Andromeda but am going to join all of you in a watch of it. :)
     
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  20. Muffin Of Doom

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    Seasons 1 and 2 are good after that your mileage may vary.. I kind of liked all the seasons but it did start to fall down after the third season.
     
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