Spoilers Differences Between "The Cage" and Discovery (Minor "Desperate Hours" Spoilers)
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They were not sexist. IIRC They were Nichelle Nichols idea.
I thought it was Grace Lee Whitney's idea?
A sweater is no better
Dude I do not care who came up with them, they are sexiest as hell and vastly impractical. Ask any woman you know if she wants to work and possibly fix things and crawl around in that outfit. Not for sexy time,but for an every day uniform.
I think a lot of people would disagree.
I am sure some will. Some thing the mini dress is practical and non- sexist too.. The Kelvin films had many cool takes on the uniforms, just the sleepwear t-shirts were not among them.
And yet with all this supposed "upgrading" they did to the uniforms over the decades... No pockets. No utility. Nothing. How exactly is that any more believable? Sure, better fabrics look better on screen, no brainer there, but to say that the design of the original uniforms is somehow bad is just plain wrong.
Either or. I may be misremembering. I do remember reading that it was one of the actresses ideas specifically as a symbol of sexual freedom.
Well, you really should. To you, it's just about showing off their posterior, but the reasoning behind it is actually important. So, before you haul off and call it sexist consider that.
You seem to forget the time Star Trek was made in. Women were told to cover up and shut up. Women's lib was concerned with women having the right to work equally among their male peers and to have say over what they wore and how they presented themselves. The idea was specifically that in the future, men and women do not care about that kind of thing and dress however they want. My only complaint with it was that we did not get more diversity in terms of women wearing pant variants ala Number One/Yeoman Colt in The Cage. Uhura was basically a singular avatar for female empowerment that got pulled back as the series went on, but it was never some schlubbby cigar chomping producer who said "Hey, you know what we need? Women in their underwear."
Man, this is not about "freedom" its about selling sex and buying into a current trend. They wanted you to know those were ladies and wearing pants was a no go. Men ware pants, ladies ware dresses. It is vastly impractical, for all your moaning about lack of pockets, there you go.
This is just silly, it was silly then and its silly now.
It was Grace Lee Whitney's suggestion. Not some exec.
In the modern day, yes it would probably be seen as sexist, but not in the 60s.
I wouldn't want it to come back for Discovery.
I'm surprised it was in ST'09.
Fair enough. No women in ST09 wares pants.......
I just re-watched Beyond, some of the female crew members did wear pants under the uniform, though Uhura didn't.
I just checked the first one. STB had some really great uniforms. I just wish they had went unisex
Actually, if I'm following you correctly, the ST 09 had extra female crewmembers wearing pant variants, as did the USS Kelvin crewmembers.
Actually, if I'm following you correctly, the ST 09 had extra female crewmembers wearing pant variants, as did the USS Kelvin crewmembers.
I stand corrected, but two of those are in those silly dresses.The dark green girl however is in the standard uniform, good catch.
The alien in pants is one of my favorite extras. There are others, but I think it might be on BTS footage. I can't remember.
But, yeah, it is limited, but it is there.
I know you even look at the academy stuff they are all in skirts and dresses. I am glad they put at lest one in a standard uniform.
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To be fair - they honestly were in vogue and HAPPILY worn by women (I grew up in the 1960ies.) In general back then they were not considered sexist. Mores and times change and they are considered sexist by some today (but obviously not enough that people protest airings of TOS. It was indeed a product of it's time.
They would be if forced to ware them as the only option. Would you want to do basic military duties on a ship in them? It is one thing to have the option of wearing something like that in your free time, its a whole other thing to be given a dress because your female and told to ware it for basic duties.
jefferies tubes, ladders,, bending over, any maintenance work, running. I can go on and on, but you you see women in our militaries using a dress for every day basic uniform?
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