While I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the uniform descriptions, that actually sounds like something I would really enjoy.
Spoilers Differences Between "The Cage" and Discovery (Minor "Desperate Hours" Spoilers)
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I have to say that the book is decent, a hundred pages in. But Georgiou's decisions continue to mystify me.
She gets between the Enterprise and its target on the planet. Which is fair enough. No one wants to see colonists killed. But she never mentions that they have a three-to-five hour window before the next attack based on Saru's findings. She also brushes off Burnham during the crisis.
They try one thing, then Pike is ready to carry out the orders of Admiral Anderson, who is in a surprisingly non-diplomatic mood. I kept waiting for Georgiou to go "Hey! We have a window here!"
They try one thing, then Pike is ready to carry out the orders of Admiral Anderson, who is in a surprisingly non-diplomatic mood. I kept waiting for Georgiou to go "Hey! We have a window here!"
How about different uniforms for different fleets within Starfleet?
Something like the Exploratory arm having a set of uniforms, things like that?
In the book, both the Shenzhou and the Enterprise are under command of Admiral Anderson.
In honor of Desperate Hours I decided to do a take on a 2250's Expeditionary Uniform that simulates the Pilot and fits into the whole Connie Deep Space Mission profile while still fitting into Discovery kinda. Think of the material being a type of future Polyester/Spandex meant to be designed for extended comfort and multi-mission usage.
In honor of Desperate Hours I decided to do a take on a 2250's Expeditionary Uniform that simulates the Pilot and fits into the whole Connie Deep Space Mission profile while still fitting into Discovery kinda. Think of the material being a type of future Polyester/Spandex meant to be designed for extended comfort and multi-mission usage.
Genius. However maybe the collar should be more of a ribbed turtleneck, less of a v-neck.
I had considered making it more ribbed but I felt the flat raised crew collar was more conservative and fit the Discovery look more so since I took it as an era alternative uniform. Otherwise I tried hard to maintain the overall Pilot aesthetics. Below is the Division Colors I rolled with for clothes. As for the pants they would be P/S Charcoal colored and the boots would just be Black utility boots as portrayed above. Put some thought into all of this
Sounds like a fanwank just to keep the silly 60's uniforms. Even though that makes zero sense. But this is the pocketbooks universe with 4 andorians genders, so sense long ago went out the window
Sounds like a fanwank just to keep the silly 60's uniforms. Even though that makes zero sense. But this is the pocketbooks universe with 4 andorians genders, so sense long ago went out the window
Those uniforms would hold up fine with minor updating, just look at the Uniforms in ST:Beyond, they could do the same idea here.
Designwise, it's a futile exercise: people in "space uniforms" look like clowns no matter who designs those, on what principles and using which resources.
This is just a corollary of people in uniforms looking like clowns, except (in certain very rare cases) to contemporaries and context-mates. Which in turn just flows from people in clothing looking like clowns to anybody outside the timeframe and context. You can't look cool outside your era. And Trek is all about being outside the era, any era.
"Realistic" doesn't apply, either - you only need to browse through US military attire across the years for proof, and heaven forbid you look farther. As long as it covers part of your body, doesn't completely fall off all the time, and is made of something that allows for at least limited limb movement, anything goes.
That said, DSC has gone all stops out for "space silly", much like TNG, whereas ENT went for "contemporary futurized" and TOS sort of chose "contemporary perpetuated". None of these seem good approaches for that all-important verisimilitude (least of all "contemporary futurized", because we know we're predicting the future wrong if it looks the same as today).
Hmm. My preference might be "bygone era futurized", with clear Napoleonic or Ming dynasty influences put to space use - it's one step beyond "space silly" on one hand, less jarring than "contemporary futurized" on the other. But there's still room for that, as the fundamental factor here is that in Trek, uniforms come and go in bewildering variety and without rhyme or reason. Exactly as in the real world.
Timo Saloniemi
This is just a corollary of people in uniforms looking like clowns, except (in certain very rare cases) to contemporaries and context-mates. Which in turn just flows from people in clothing looking like clowns to anybody outside the timeframe and context. You can't look cool outside your era. And Trek is all about being outside the era, any era.
"Realistic" doesn't apply, either - you only need to browse through US military attire across the years for proof, and heaven forbid you look farther. As long as it covers part of your body, doesn't completely fall off all the time, and is made of something that allows for at least limited limb movement, anything goes.
That said, DSC has gone all stops out for "space silly", much like TNG, whereas ENT went for "contemporary futurized" and TOS sort of chose "contemporary perpetuated". None of these seem good approaches for that all-important verisimilitude (least of all "contemporary futurized", because we know we're predicting the future wrong if it looks the same as today).
Hmm. My preference might be "bygone era futurized", with clear Napoleonic or Ming dynasty influences put to space use - it's one step beyond "space silly" on one hand, less jarring than "contemporary futurized" on the other. But there's still room for that, as the fundamental factor here is that in Trek, uniforms come and go in bewildering variety and without rhyme or reason. Exactly as in the real world.
Timo Saloniemi
Books don't count, sorry.
How do we know what uniforms will look like 200 years from now?
Likeily not t shirts. It needs to look like a uniform to the people watching, and those do not. Why do you think they change put of them into more uniform like cloths all the time?
And really, you are defending the sexist minidress as a good uniform?
In the 60s, the minidress was far from sexist..... :P
It was part of the empowerment movement. Modern day needs to stop judging the past on current "standards."
It was part of the empowerment movement. Modern day needs to stop judging the past on current "standards."
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