Didn't like it? Still, you have to admit that...

[dkehler]

Re: Haters, even you have to admit that:

The line seemed a bit off key rather than strictly refering to her job.

This new Trek "ain't your daddy's Trek" so why wouldn't they engage in causal affairs....NuKirk sure as shit does....he likes em' green.

It's not the writer's fault if your mind lives in the gutter and you can't distinguish between homophones even in clear context...

Honestly, either oral or aural could have made sense in that context, but have you ever heard of a double entendre?

 

[theFirebottle]

Re: Haters, even you have to admit that:

Honestly, either oral or aural could have made sense in that context, but have you ever heard of a double entendre?

I'm a linguist (no really, I have a degree in it!), so I'm totally getting a kick out of this conversation.

I remember the scene pretty closely. She was definitely talking about her hearing in the context of picking up and distinguishing sounds on long-range transmissions.

"Oral sensitivity" would mean you can... ...I guess... distinguish flavors? Not relevant here, I think.

"Entendre" is the key word here, if the character didn't intend innuendo, then it wasn't there. *shrug*

 

[indranee]

That was kinda the point of the film....to give the fleet flagship to an immature brat? Doesn't say much for Kirk's superiors.

the point was the bildungsroman... the growth of Kirk from a wounded brat with a genius streak to what he CAN hope to become.

by not getting that very obvious bit, you're only exposing yourself as not much more than an idiot.

The growth of Kirk to what he can hope to become, yes that is the point of the movie...the academy days of the crew. But at the end of the movie, he is in no way qualified to be commanding the flagship of the fleet. Yea he has academy simulations, computer games, and textbooks, but he has no experience to fall back on when the book learing pans out. Ya know...strange new worlds, new life, unkowns, ect. It requires experience to have an inkling of what to do when something comes up that the book doesn't cover.

The experience part is the most critical thing of all. You can get all the book learning you want, but once you put it to practice, book learning won't get you very far. As Captian of the Enterprise, he is going to encounter many, many unknowns with no experience to guide him as to the right decision. Kirk and crew from the TOS were experienced space veterans, yet they still only avoided disaster by the skin of their teeth on numerous occassions. This new crew of cadets just does not have the experience to survive very long. But they will survive of course, only because the writers of future movies will contrive the stories to that end.

But, to each his own I suppose. If you believe that cadets right out of the Academy should be commanding the most advanced ships of the fleet...more power to ya. Maybe they could give Chekov the Potempkin on his 18th birthday.

what the hell are you babbling on about?!

at the end of the movie, Kirk shows a definite glimmer of the most important thing that Prime Kirk possessed: an ability to think outside of the box.

it is the one thing Spock did not have, either in the Prime Universe or this one (what oh what oh what shall we call this one?!)

it is the reason Prime Spock literally pushed nuKirk back on the Enterprise.

 

[johnsonalmighty]

This is proabaly pointless, but here I go anyways. You guys are utter fools, really you are over three pages of childish bickering over a two hour piece of film meant to entertain the masses. Look at Rotten Tomatoes, it's still highly Fresh and loads better than Nemesis, Insurrection, the Final Frontier, the Serch for Spock, hell it's probably the highest rated Trek Film to date besides TWOK. Sure there some changes, but why such hate? Are you afraid of change? Did the Underscoved Country teach you anything at all?!? Jeez its all right to point out a few flaws, I do it and I get graded for it but you people and fanatical naysayers are taking it way to far! Christ guys chill out, if you don't like the film and have nothing to say positive about it, then keep in you head, journal, diary, blog, whatever. All your doing is creating negative energy and your comments mean nothing. Good day.

 

[TheGodBen]

Your argument works under the false assumption that I liked TCOTEOF which I did not...

And this is all I need to know.

Thank you.

Yeah, I thought you'd say something like that alright.

Sure there some changes, but why such hate? Are you afraid of change? Did the Underscoved Country teach you anything at all?!?

It has nothing to do with change, I just felt it was a bad movie. Is that a crime now?

 

[Sector 7]

You smiled a bit when "Spock Prime" first showed up.

McCoy's [introductory] rants about space travel.

Chekov's scene/troubles talking to the Enterprise computer.

Most of those made me smile. And yes, there were some great moments. This last one still pisses me off though. The whole "w" for "v" thing is essentially an ethic slur against Russians and it's lasted the entire 40+ years of the Trek franchise. This one the one thing I most hoped would go the way of the dodo.

There is no "w" sound in the Russian language. It is replete with "v"s. Vladimir. Vladivostock. Hell, Chekov's full name has three "v"s that he can pronounce perfectly every time (Pavel Andreievich Chekov). Anyone else catch that. Three seconds after he gives Captain Pike his full name, then Pike repeats it back to him (six "v"s between them), then Chekow suddenly can't form a sound found three times in his own name.

I agree. By the 21st century it is an ethnic stereotype;by the 23rd century it should be a non-issue.

She happened to catch a communication about the Romulan attack on Klingon ships off screen. Having that intel was vital for Kirk to convince Pike, sure. But in the very scene that she's asked about her competence, i.e. speaking Romulan, her very next line is, "I'm sorry sir, but I'm not detecting any communications, Vulcan or Romulan." Or something to that effect. Yeah, she's vital to the movie.

And translated it. How many languages have you learned in your life? Have you ever translated a message from one language to another? How about a message garbled by interstellar transmission distances with extensive signal disruption that you had to correct for? In a single night, for no academic credit, because you care about what you do?

It's not a matter of overhearing someone's conversation in the next cubicle over.

I have to side with theFirebottle on this one. Uhura 2009 is shown as competent, confident and capable. She is also portrayed as vital to saving the Enterprise. That ain't bad for a Lt. straight out of the Academy! It is also a far cry from being a 'token' anything, be it love-interest or female.

 

[M'Sharak]

so he doesn't have any family in Russia? he's never gone back to visit, I guess?

Four posts in a row is spamming.

Use the multi-quote function.

I'm not seeing where indranee made four consecutive posts. I see three (which, I'll admit, should have been collected into one with Multi-Quote), then one by another poster, and then the fourth.

uhh, that was kinda the point.

That was kinda the point of the film....to give the fleet flagship to an immature brat? Doesn't say much for Kirk's superiors.

the point was the bildungsroman... the growth of Kirk from a wounded brat with a genius streak to what he CAN hope to become.

by not getting that very obvious bit, you're only exposing yourself as not much more than an idiot.

This, though -- ouch. I think that last bit could have been phrased a little more delicately, don't you?

 

[Anticitizen]

at the end of the movie, Kirk shows a definite glimmer of the most important thing that Prime Kirk possessed: an ability to think outside of the box.

it is the one thing Spock did not have, either in the Prime Universe or this one (what oh what oh what shall we call this one?!)

I must point out that if Spock had taken Kirk's original advice to chase after the Narada, the Enterprise would've been destroyed (and Earth, too).

It was only because of the highly unlikely appearance of Spock Prime and his convenient granting of the ability to transport great, great distances that they were able to beam aboard the Narada and stop it. And, apparently, the Narada's failure to raise its shields during its attack run on Earth.

It is a plot full of contrivances.

 

[theFirebottle]

It is a plot full of contrivances.

How many times does it have to be pointed out that every single other Trek film and plenty of episodes are the exact same way? In fact, most storytelling is full of contrivances, because if storytellers told stories that hewed exactly to realism they'd be full of plot threads that went nowhere, unsatisfying endings, and shit that made no narrative sense at all.

Since when have we demanded exquisite realism out of Star Trek anyway? Only since the butthurt fanboys got it into their heads long before the film was even made that nothing could ever make it good because JJ was raping their childhoods and they were going to crusade against it until they browbeat the rest of us into parroting their asinine opinions (oh, excuse me, admitting that we're overhyping/desperate/cheerleading/selling out to the 90210 crowd). The fact that it turned out good made them revise their incessant harping to demand absolute perfection high above the standards of any previous Trek film or, for that matter, film as a whole medium.

 

[Anticitizen]

How many times does it have to be pointed out that every single other Trek film and plenty of episodes are the exact same way?

Yeah, but this one's, like, more so.

Except the Enterprise finding B-4 in Nemesis. That's about in line with what we have here.

Didn't like that one either.

 

[theFirebottle]

Yeah, but this one's, like, more so.

Prove it.

 

[Warped9]

I didn't like it, but I must admit...that it was worse than I had expected.

 

[Anticitizen]

Yeah, but this one's, like, more so.

Prove it.

Prove what?

 

[dahj]

Yeah, but this one's, like, more so.

Prove it.

Prove what?

It.

 

[theFirebottle]

Yeah, but this one's, like, more so.

Prove it.

Prove what?

The statement you made that this plot is more contrived than any of the other film plots?

 

[TheGodBen]

Prove it.

Prove what?

The statement you made that this plot is more contrived than any of the other film plots?

That's impossible to do, there is no measuring scale for how contrived a thing is. It is purely subjective, and for me and several others this movie's plot was more contrived than most of the previous Trek movies.

That is my opinion, yours may vary.

 

[Anticitizen]

Okay.

The premise itself defies believability. Spock attempts to save Romulus, and doesn't get there in time, so Nero decides to wipe out Spock's homeworld? In the past? After getting 25 years to simmer down? And his crew, after 25 years, also goes along with this crazy plan? The plan that would in all probability spur the free galaxy to gang up on Romulus in revenge for his attacks and could jeopardize his own birth?

The reality is that the writers wanted Nero to be responsible for Kirk's father's death AND be a villain in 'the current time' so we're led to believe that Nero can kick around with his anger and a very subservient crew in tow for 25 years to carry out a ridiculous plot of revenge against the guy that was trying to save him.

Some more credibility could have been added to Nero's actions, I think, if Spock had made it to the star in time, but his plan to stop the explosion simply didn't work. Then Nero could at least claim that Spock intentionally let the star go boom, but then why would Spock pretend to try to save Romulus? It doesn't make any sense either way.

Then you have a situation where the writers wanted to get Kirk away from Spock so he could talk to Spock Prime alone. To do so, they needed to get him off the ship, so we get the VERY unlikely and out-of-character action of Spock marooning Kirk on an ice planet (!) instead of just throwing him in the brig or confining him to quarters, where Kirk just happens to land a few yards away from Spock Prime's cave, where Spock Prime seems to have stumbled upon some wood to make a torch...

...and Spock Prime himself was there because Nero just happened to dump him there, nevermind the fact that in reality, if he were so bent upon revenge against Spock, he'd want Spock standing right there on the bridge of the Narada so he can see his face when Vulcan is destroyed, then likely run him through with his big ol' spear (!?).

Then the writers needed a way to get Kirk (and Scotty who also just happened to be there) back on the Enterprise, so they invent a way for them to modify a standard transporter, with only a few clicks of a keyboard, to transport light-years away aboard a starship moving at warp speed....

...shall I go on? Like I said, this plot is full of ridiculous contrivances.

 

[Trekker4747]

This, though -- ouch. I think that last bit could have been phrased a little more delicately, don't you?

"Laddie, dontcha maybe wanna rephrase that?"

 

[indranee]

no, I don't think I'm gonna rephrase that.

what, you gonna give me a warning?

go ahead.

make. my. day.

oh, sorry, wrong hero.