Didn't like it? Still, you have to admit that...

[indranee]

Re: Haters, even you have to admit that:

She happened to catch a communication about the Romulan attack on Klingon ships off screen. Having that intel was vital for Kirk to convince Pike, sure. But in the very scene that she's asked about her competence, i.e. speaking Romulan, her very next line is, "I'm sorry sir, but I'm not detecting any communications, Vulcan or Romulan." Or something to that effect. Yeah, she's vital to the movie.

did you watch the same movie?

paraphrasing...

Pike: Uhura, do you know Romulan?

Uhura: All three dialects, sir (THIS IS WHAT SHE SAYS, NOT WHAT YOU'RE BABBLING ABOUT).

then, she says she's not detecting anything, Vulcan OR Romulan.

then we learn why. because they are being attacked, subspace communications are down.

you know, Overgeeked, I am reading your posts and something tells me you're not as big a Trekkie as you profess to be. you're missing a lot of stuff here. time to go back to the drawing boards, dude.

 

[indranee]

I generally liked the movie; but it had some poorly thought out scenes. McCoy was the best character in the film, bar none. The new Spock was pretty good too. Kirk was just too immature. I wouldn't lend my car to him, much less a starship worth billions of credits....he's a brat. And its diffucult to really be a gusher about the film when you can't respect the lead character.

uhh, that was kinda the point.

 

[indranee]

Re: Haters, even you have to admit that:

Smiling in The Cage is a long, long, ways away that what Spock is depicted as in this film. He's gone through 18 or 20 years of Vulcan training as a yound man. Half human or not, there is no reason for the wild displays of emotion that he showed. Sulu was more reserved than Spock. JJ should have toned him down a bit.

yet another poster who must have seen a different movie than I.

yes, except losing his homeworld AND his mother, Spock has no reason to lose it.

 

[writergal]

what's interesting is that Anton Yelchin is a bonafide Russian.

Well, yes, Yelchin was born in Russia. However, his parents moved to the U.S. right after Anton was born, so his accent is a total put-on. He's admitted in interviews that the "w" for "v" is actually more of a Polish inflection than Russian, but he did it that way because that's the way the original Chekov did it.

 

[indranee]

so he doesn't have any family in Russia? he's never gone back to visit, I guess?

 

[Omega_Glory]

I generally liked the movie; but it had some poorly thought out scenes. McCoy was the best character in the film, bar none. The new Spock was pretty good too. Kirk was just too immature. I wouldn't lend my car to him, much less a starship worth billions of credits....he's a brat. And its diffucult to really be a gusher about the film when you can't respect the lead character.

uhh, that was kinda the point.

That was kinda the point of the film....to give the fleet flagship to an immature brat? Doesn't say much for Kirk's superiors.

 

[Omega_Glory]

Re: Haters, even you have to admit that:

Smiling in The Cage is a long, long, ways away that what Spock is depicted as in this film. He's gone through 18 or 20 years of Vulcan training as a yound man. Half human or not, there is no reason for the wild displays of emotion that he showed. Sulu was more reserved than Spock. JJ should have toned him down a bit.

yet another poster who must have seen a different movie than I.

yes, except losing his homeworld AND his mother, Spock has no reason to lose it.

For a Vulcan or even a half Vulcan, that wasn't a good enough reason. And banging Uhura had nothing to do with any of that but was out of line even for a half Vulcan. Guess she was handy when his seven year cycle came up.

 

[Cyke101]

I generally liked the movie; but it had some poorly thought out scenes. McCoy was the best character in the film, bar none. The new Spock was pretty good too. Kirk was just too immature. I wouldn't lend my car to him, much less a starship worth billions of credits....he's a brat. And its diffucult to really be a gusher about the film when you can't respect the lead character.

uhh, that was kinda the point.

That was kinda the point of the film....to give the fleet flagship to an immature brat? Doesn't say much for Kirk's superiors.

To be fair, Kirk was probably one of the last of the good admirals. After that, we seem to have gotten power mad or psychopathic or shady or otherwise insane admirals in Starfleet, From TNG to VOY (yes, Janeway! You were a bad admiral!).

 

[Peter the Younger]

I generally liked the movie; but it had some poorly thought out scenes. McCoy was the best character in the film, bar none. The new Spock was pretty good too. Kirk was just too immature. I wouldn't lend my car to him, much less a starship worth billions of credits....he's a brat. And its diffucult to really be a gusher about the film when you can't respect the lead character.

uhh, that was kinda the point.

That was kinda the point of the film....to give the fleet flagship to an immature brat? Doesn't say much for Kirk's superiors.

Well hmmm, I can only imagine they don't agree with your characterization of him as "immature brat."

 

[theFirebottle]

Re: Haters, even you have to admit that:

Smiling in The Cage is a long, long, ways away that what Spock is depicted as in this film. He's gone through 18 or 20 years of Vulcan training as a yound man. Half human or not, there is no reason for the wild displays of emotion that he showed. Sulu was more reserved than Spock. JJ should have toned him down a bit.

yet another poster who must have seen a different movie than I.

yes, except losing his homeworld AND his mother, Spock has no reason to lose it.

For a Vulcan or even a half Vulcan, that wasn't a good enough reason. And banging Uhura had nothing to do with any of that but was out of line even for a half Vulcan. Guess she was handy when his seven year cycle came up.

WHAT.

Six billion people are murdered in an eye-blink and it's not a good enough reason?!

An emotionally healthy human would be reduced to a gibbering incoherent wreck in the face of such incomprehensible tragedy. It is stated in the movie that Vulcans in some ways feel more deeply than humans but conceal and suppress it. If this is one of those things they feel more deeply (being mildly telepathic and all) then their grief must be unutterable.

 

[Trekker4747]

so he doesn't have any family in Russia? he's never gone back to visit, I guess?

Four posts in a row is spamming.

Use the multi-quote function.

 

[indranee]

I generally liked the movie; but it had some poorly thought out scenes. McCoy was the best character in the film, bar none. The new Spock was pretty good too. Kirk was just too immature. I wouldn't lend my car to him, much less a starship worth billions of credits....he's a brat. And its diffucult to really be a gusher about the film when you can't respect the lead character.

uhh, that was kinda the point.

That was kinda the point of the film....to give the fleet flagship to an immature brat? Doesn't say much for Kirk's superiors.

the point was the bildungsroman... the growth of Kirk from a wounded brat with a genius streak to what he CAN hope to become.

by not getting that very obvious bit, you're only exposing yourself as not much more than an idiot.

 

[indranee]

so he doesn't have any family in Russia? he's never gone back to visit, I guess?

Four posts in a row is spamming.

Use the multi-quote function.

get the hell off my back, dude. you're not the mod here.

 

[indranee]

Re: Haters, even you have to admit that:

Smiling in The Cage is a long, long, ways away that what Spock is depicted as in this film. He's gone through 18 or 20 years of Vulcan training as a yound man. Half human or not, there is no reason for the wild displays of emotion that he showed. Sulu was more reserved than Spock. JJ should have toned him down a bit.

yet another poster who must have seen a different movie than I.

yes, except losing his homeworld AND his mother, Spock has no reason to lose it.

For a Vulcan or even a half Vulcan, that wasn't a good enough reason. And banging Uhura had nothing to do with any of that but was out of line even for a half Vulcan. Guess she was handy when his seven year cycle came up.

how do YOU know? you a Vulcan or a half-Vulcan?

and how do you know he's "banging" Uhura? how do you know they're much further than the so-called first base?

 

[TheGodBen]

Jeyl summed it up best, I didn't hate the movie but I was disappointed by it.

You smiled a bit when "Spock Prime" first showed up.

My thought process at the time: What. The. Fuck?!! Of all the caves on the all the planets Kirk ran into his?! And he chased away the monster with fire?!!! What the fuck are these writers thinking?!!

That is actually the very moment I gave up on this movie turning into anything special. So no, I did not smile.

McCoy's [introductory] rants about space travel.

That I liked, that was the McCoy I know and love.

Chekov's scene/troubles talking to the Enterprise computer.

No no no no no no no no no no no. I cringed at how horrible that "hilarious" scene was.

Spock's "I didn't lie, I... implied." line.

I won't lie, I don't remember the line.

Spock's "Since my customary farewell would be oddly self-serving I'll just say (does Vulcan salute) Good Luck."

I liked the line, but for some reason I did not like Nimoy's delivery.

I mean, even if you really disliked this movie you'd still have to admit it had some "moments."

Certainly, there's probably a whole three minutes of this movie I wouldn't mind seeing again, the rest of it did not meet my standards.

The space-diver "red shirt", as poster below noted, you knew he was toast the moment you saw him!

Of course he was doomed, but it doesn't explain why he was such a fucking moron. That goes for most of the cast.

 

[Trekker4747]

The. Fuck?!! Of all the caves on the all the planets Kirk ran into his?!

You're right. No Star Trek movie used any happenstance plot device like this.

In Star Trek II it wasn't happenstance that in all of the planets in the galaxy they choose Ceti Alpha V to test the Genesis device. By ship that just happens to have Chekov on it. Who just happened to have met Khan in TOS (Oh wait. He didn't? Ummm. They met in line to the bathroom!). Khan just happens to have creatures with him who give him the ability to control minds -otherwise his plan wouldn't work.

Star Trek IV: A set of whales just happen to be in an aquarium which just happens to be in San Francisco, where the navy ship Enterprise just happens to be docked which just happens to use nuclear fission power which just happens to be able to repair Klingon diithium crystals.

Star Trek VI: Kirk just happens to leave his door open (!) so Valeris can eavesdrop on his log entry. Kirk and McCoy just happen to be jailed with a changeling/metamorph who can help them escape. Spock just happens to beam up McCoy and Kirk before they would've been killed oh, and though he was interupted, the Klingon just happens to be one who's seen many Bond films and will reveal the entire plan.

Yep. Plot-driven happenstances NEVER happened in any other Trek movie ever.

 

[TheGodBen]

Yep. Plot-driven happenstances NEVER happened in any other Trek movie ever.

It is all about presentation. If Spock Prime had found Kirk's pod after it landed on the planet, I would have been okay with that. If Kirk had gone to the Starfleet base and Spock Prime arrived after him, I would have been okay with that too.

But Kirk being chased into the cave by a giant monster and Spock chasing it out with fire?

It takes a "special" mind to come up with something like that.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yep. Plot-driven happenstances NEVER happened in any other Trek movie ever.

It is all about presentation. If Spock Prime had found Kirk's pod after it landed on the planet, I would have been okay with that. If Kirk had gone to the Starfleet base and Spock Prime arrived after him, I would have been okay with that too.

But Kirk being chased into the cave by a giant monster and Spock chasing it out with fire?

It takes a "special" mind to come up with something like that.

Like Harlan Ellison and Gene Roddenberry?

Spock: "There is a theory. There could be some logic to the belief that time is fluid, like a river, with currents, eddies, backwash. "

Capt. Kirk: "And the same currents that swept McCoy to a certain time and place might sweep us there, too?"

 

[dkehler]

The. Fuck?!! Of all the caves on the all the planets Kirk ran into his?!

You're right. No Star Trek movie used any happenstance plot device like this.

In Star Trek II it wasn't happenstance that in all of the planets in the galaxy they choose Ceti Alpha V to test the Genesis device. By ship that just happens to have Chekov on it. Who just happened to have met Khan in TOS (Oh wait. He didn't? Ummm. They met in line to the bathroom!). Khan just happens to have creatures with him who give him the ability to control minds -otherwise his plan wouldn't work.

Star Trek IV: A set of whales just happen to be in an aquarium which just happens to be in San Francisco, where the navy ship Enterprise just happens to be docked which just happens to use nuclear fission power which just happens to be able to repair Klingon diithium crystals.

Star Trek VI: Kirk just happens to leave his door open (!) so Valeris can eavesdrop on his log entry. Kirk and McCoy just happen to be jailed with a changeling/metamorph who can help them escape. Spock just happens to beam up McCoy and Kirk before they would've been killed oh, and though he was interupted, the Klingon just happens to be one who's seen many Bond films and will reveal the entire plan.

Yep. Plot-driven happenstances NEVER happened in any other Trek movie ever.

Star Trek II -- Reliant had been searching for some time for a lifeless body to conduct the next phase of the Genesis experiment. It's not like Ceti Alpha VI (which turned out to be V) was the first one they went to. And why shouldn't Chekov have moved on? The mind control bugs were convenient, yes, but I'm sure Khan would've found a way to commandeer the ship otherwise.

Star Trek IV -- the whales were a convenience, but that's not to say that they wouldn't have found whales in the ocean otherwise. The nuclear reactor in the Enterprise, again, was convenient, but presumably, they would have found some other source if need be.

Star Trek VI -- you got me with the door thing. It's been a while, but her eavesdropping wasn't essential to the plot, I don't think. She could have just as easily accessed his logs afterwards and secretly provided them to the Klingons to bolster the case against him. Jailed with a shape shifter? You know what they would have found a way out and that just happened to be the way. Escaping in the nick of time after learning of the big plan? I agree, sloppy writing, but I don't particularly like Star Trek VI as much as many around here seem to.

The criticisms with Star Trek 2009 are because as presented, the coincidences are ESSENTIAL to moving the story to the next action scene.

Let me also say that I thought there was something very off about Nimoy's performance in the film. Yes, it was good to see one of our favourite characters on screen one last time, but I don't know if it was the writing or the acting or a little bit of both, but I was really disappointed in Spock Prime. I thought the whole meeting with him and young Kirk was very sloppily handled. They even botched the "I have been and always shall be your friend" line because it came out of nowhere.

 

[dkehler]

Yep. Plot-driven happenstances NEVER happened in any other Trek movie ever.

It is all about presentation. If Spock Prime had found Kirk's pod after it landed on the planet, I would have been okay with that. If Kirk had gone to the Starfleet base and Spock Prime arrived after him, I would have been okay with that too.

But Kirk being chased into the cave by a giant monster and Spock chasing it out with fire?

It takes a "special" mind to come up with something like that.

Like Harlan Ellison and Gene Roddenberry?

Spock: "There is a theory. There could be some logic to the belief that time is fluid, like a river, with currents, eddies, backwash. "

Capt. Kirk: "And the same currents that swept McCoy to a certain time and place might sweep us there, too?"

At least they made an attempt to explain the unbelievable coincidence.