The most controversial episode of ENT--do you admit to watching it when it originally aired (on UPN in the US)?
Poll Did You Watch "These Are the Voyages" When It Originally Aired?
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And I actually enjoyed it before all the kerfluffle hit the fan. I actually feel like the previous two episodes were the end of the series.
I watched it as it aired, and coincidentally, "met" Marina Sirtis at a local convention about 2 weeks after and got to discuss it with her briefly. Nothing bad at all was said about it, in fact, I did and still do enjoy it overall. It was thrilling to me to be able to talk about something so fresh and topical with her.
She commented that she thought it was funny that she was playing the less uptight movie version of the character, which they obviously should have just gone with anyways instead of trying to sandwich it within The Pegasus.
She commented that she thought it was funny that she was playing the less uptight movie version of the character, which they obviously should have just gone with anyways instead of trying to sandwich it within The Pegasus.
I downloaded a bit later, probably on Limewire. It may not be that good and the timing makes no sense and is kinda stupid and Trip's ending is balls but at least that's the end of this sentence.
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The future stuff should have been on the Titan and they just used some Enterprise-E sets, which were still in storage at that point, I think. I also don't think it should have been a holonovel and should have been flashbacks, or they did a combination of both. The impetus should not have been Riker getting over some personal issue, which doesn't fit with the timeline in "The Pegasus" anyway, but something about the NX-01's legacy or them looking into Trip's history and maybe he's not actually dead, but the focus should have been on that ship, not Riker. Also, maybe don't kill Trip in some ridiculous way. I'm not wild on the idea that in the six years between "Terra Prime" and "TATV" nothing changed with the crew, except getting name badges. I think they should have been reuniting for the NX-01's last voyage. Or don't even retire it, just imply that it'll keep flying after the episode ends. Life just goes on.
Yep. Back in the day I had envisioned a scenario where, post-Nemesis, the Titan crew was helping out the new Romulan government. They stumble across wreckage of the NX-01, which had been lost in the Earth-Romulan war. They find the ship's black box, which recorded the final moments of the Enterprise crew. With 24th century technology, they are able to convert the logs into a hologram format to watch on the holodeck. Riker and Troi are simply observers, not interacting in any way with the program. They find out that the ship crashed on Romulus and the survivors interbred with the Romulans. So now there are descendants of the original crew living on Romulus.
Or, Riker and Troi call up the holoprogram as they are having trouble dealing with Data’s death a couple of years on. Just set most of the episode in 2155, with a jump six years later to the founding of the Federation, to see how the NX-01 crew dealt with Trip's death.
The set up was right there.
I saw it when it premiered, and I was disappointed with it. The previous episode was a more poignant series finale. The framing around The Pegasus was awkward. The attempt to make Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis look younger and have it be like the good ol' days of 90's TNG was cringe. I applaud the actors for being real troopers, but the whole thing was ill-conceived. The only bits I liked were Brent Spiner reprising Data as a voice only cameo, and the recitation of the "These are the voyages" monologue with Picard, Kirk, and Archer at the end.
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I remember it like it was yesterday, May 13, 2005—a date which will live in infamy—the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately Valentine'd by the forces of Berman and Braga on the network of UPN.
It was pretty much a dumpster fire, with the notable exceptions of the Data voiceover and the "These Are the Voyages" coda, as mentioned above. I also liked that Shran played a part, and we got to see some development for him, though I would have preferred a story more focused on the NX-01 crew since their time was already being eaten into by the TNG segments, with Shran's role reduced and not the central plot.
The half-assed way they handled Trip's death was so bad the tie-in authors brought him back to life. Trip could have easily bulshitted a solution that would have neutralized the worst crew of space mooks ever without plasma burning himself to death.
I love Riker and Troi, but trying to pass them off as their younger selves was a mistake. They should have set it contemporaneous with where the universe was relative to their actual ages. Having it set within the Pegasus episode was wholly unnecessary and added nothing of value to either that episode or this one, and the reasoning for the characters seeking out this particular holoprogram was shaky at best.
As mentioned, had this been a generic mid-season episode (that didn't lazily kill Trip off as an afterthought), it would have been more forgivable, but it was a piss-poor series finale.
We knew it was going to oddly use TNG 'Pegasus' as a framing device well in advance of the episode. We had a guy (I think he was named Morpheus) who worked on the crew in some capacity and would feed us hints about what he had seen being filmed, and based on some really vague clues he had provided about the episode content I had guessed that it sounded like it might be from Pegasus, and he responded that he was "Actually impressed!" that I had guessed it based on so little info, and that he hadn't intended to give it away, so that made me happy. Then he started talking about the episode some more and his impressions of it, and the happiness began to fade.
Couldn't have said it better myself.I remember it like it was yesterday, May 13, 2005—a date which will live in infamy—the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately Valentine'd by the forces of Berman and Braga on the network of UPN.
It was pretty much a dumpster fire, with the notable exceptions of the Data voiceover and the "These Are the Voyages" coda, as mentioned above. I also liked that Shran played a part, and we got to see some development for him, though I would have preferred a story more focused on the NX-01 crew since their time was already being eaten into by the TNG segments, with Shran's role reduced and not the central plot.
The half-assed way they handled Trip's death was so bad the tie-in authors brought him back to life. Trip could have easily bulshitted a solution that would have neutralized the worst crew of space mooks ever without plasma burning himself to death.
I love Riker and Troi, but trying to pass them off as their younger selves was a mistake. They should have set it contemporaneous with where the universe was relative to their actual ages. Having it set within the Pegasus episode was wholly unnecessary and added nothing of value to either that episode or this one, and the reasoning for the characters seeking out this particular holoprogram was shaky at best.
As mentioned, had this been a generic mid-season episode (that didn't lazily kill Trip off as an afterthought), it would have been more forgivable, but it was a piss-poor series finale.
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