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Did The Jihad live up to its potential?

Did The Jihad live up to its potential?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 36.4%
  • No

    Votes: 7 31.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • I'll tell you later

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • Total voters
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I thought "The Jihad" was great on giving us a little perspective in the TOS universe.
There were important things going on in the universe other than the adventures of the Enterprise.
For goodness sake Kirk and Spock weren't first choice for the mission.

Excellent points. The episode successfully expanded the Star Trek universe--as many TAS episodes had the habit of doing. Each species was interesting, with just the right amount of character or species reference to make each as full a character as what anyone would expect to see in any era of live action Star Trek running an additional 30 minutes.

..and the loyalty/friendship between Kirk and Spock was spot-on in its presentation. TAS never missed a beat with how the star characters treated each other.
 
I was 9 going on 10 when TAS hit the air, and I already liked Star Trek so I liked the cartoon well enough, but not as much as the original. It seemed slightly duller to me even then. As I grew up I became aware of how lifeless the voice acting was on the show, and having non-actors like Scheimer doing voices didn't help matters. Having Nichelle and Majel do most of the women's voices was cost-efficient but a poor decision since neither had much range for doing different voices. Doohan was better but nowhere near as flexible as pro voice actors like Don Messick or Stan Freeberg or John Stevenson. Virtually none of the TAS cast was very good at voice-only work.

I would tend to agree that the huntress character was bad, as it seemed like all she did was hit on Kirk.

And Leonard Maltin is a big animation buff. His book Of Mice and Magic: A History of American Animated Cartoons is a must-read if you're interested in the history of theatrical cartoon shorts. I thanked him for it one of the many times I bumped into him (usually in the men's room line, ha!) at the San Francisco Silent Film Festival.
 
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Who was the intended audience for The Animated Series?

Trekkies and The Whole Family

re: the Children's Emmy, Scheimer disagreed with the categorization, saying it was "a show for the entire family and anybody who was really a fan of the original live-action show."

TAS strikes me almost as a fusion of an adult's show and children's show (yes, Gerrold might get mad at this view) so Scheimer's designation of "for the entire family" sounds about right to me. (Granted, it might skew more adult when compared to its Saturday morning contemporaries.)
 
I assume the makers liked to try to position the show as adult to reassure the fans that the show wasn't going to be dumbed down because they wanted as many eyeballs as possible on it, and why distance a potential built-in audience. So what else were they going to say?

Except it really was more adult than its contemporaries. I already pointed out several standard tropes of Saturday morning shows that it didn't employ. It told straight adventure stories that dealt with serious themes. Exploring a graveyard ship whose captain destroyed its entire crew to stop a deadly threat. Struggling to decide whom to evacuate from a doomed planet. Facing down energy-sucking women who've seduced and killed countless men to stay alive. A woman facing and forgiving an alien impostor of her dead fiance. An alien race putting Kirk's crew on trial for the atrocities and genocide committed by their ancestors. These were the same kinds of stories you'd see on TOS, and not the same kinds of stories you'd normally see on kidvid. As I've said, the only real concession to the time slot was toning down the sex and violence.

People tend to focus on the sillier aspects of TAS to justify their preconception that it was a kids' show, but there's plenty in TOS that's just as silly. A giant Spock clone is no sillier than a giant Apollo or a giant space amoeba. Miniaturized Terratins are no sillier than the miniaturized Enterprise on Flint's desk. The sorcerors and demons of Megas-tu are no sillier than the Greek-cosplaying, psychokinetic Platonians, or a planet of space gangsters or space Nazis.


I bet these replies are ironic because Christopher was a kid when became a fan of TAS.

Yes. I discovered TOS in prime-time reruns in January 1974 when I was 5 years old. As near as I can remember, it was no more than a few weeks later that I discovered it was also on Saturday mornings in cartoon form. So for me, Star Trek was one show that was sometimes live-action and sometimes animated. I didn't differentiate the two. (Although that wasn't unique in my experience at the time, since Filmation also had animated versions of live-action sitcoms like The New Adventures of Gilligan and The Brady Kids. But in those cases, there were pretty clear differences between the live-action and animated versions, much more so than between the two Star Treks.)


Re: Leonard Maltin, he's an animation buff, and he hated the cheap animation that became commonplace on 1960s and 1970s television (that's probably the main reason he used the word '"disturbing.")

But that has nothing to do with whether it's an original show or an adaptation. The original concepts that Filmation and Hanna-Barbera made were no better animated than their adaptations.


It looks like the Emmy folks also got the wrong idea when they awarded the show Outstanding Children's Series...

Awards often put things into inappropriate categories because there's no available alternative. Things that intentionally try to break the mold, as TAS did, are hard to fit into standardized cubbyholes.


The reason producer Lou Scheimer performed the voices for so many supporting characters was that the 'official' voice actors were contracted to perform no more than three different voices per episode. And since there were usually only three regular cast members working on each show, Lou would fill in the rest of the male cast.

He also got his wife and kids to do many of the voices, and they were much worse actors than he was. And there were other uncredited voice actors who did occasional roles.
 
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The reason producer Lou Scheimer performed the voices for so many supporting characters was that the 'official' voice actors were contracted to perform no more than three different voices per episode. And since there were usually only three regular cast members working on each show, Lou would fill in the rest of the male cast.
That's a union rule that's still in place today. If you want a voice actor to do more than three voices on a show, you have to pay them more. Scheimer was obviously trying to save a few bucks by either not hiring more actors or paying the existing ones more.
 
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Dorothy Fontana:

"We did not write our scripts as kiddie shows. We were writing for the Star Trek audience... so we tried to keep the quality of the show in the first year. Second year, I didn't have anything to do with it, so I don't know. I do know that they did most of the scripts we rejected in the first year, but again, I had no say in this."



 
cruising ProQuest for articles from 1970-79 with "Star Trek" and "Filmation" in them, and the press coverage there all classifies the show as a children's program:
  • "The reincarnation of Star Trek as an animated half-hour kidvid entry in the Saturday morning bubblegum sweepstakes on NBC, beginning Sept. 8, is subject to the same limitations of all network kiddie shows." (Cecil Smith, "Saturday morning kidvid is looking up—to Star Trek," Los Angeles Times, August 19, 1973, p.M2)
  • Lee Margulies, writing for the Associated Press, mentioned Star Trek among Flmation's offerings in an article called "Kings of the Kiddie Shows" (May 27, 1975).
  • "Star Trek is one of seven new half-hour children's programs on NBC's schedule for next fall." (Clarence Peterson, "'Star Trek' coming back—as cartoon!", Chicago Tribune, March 27, 1973, p.B18)
  • "NBC-TV became the first network on the street with its 1975-76 Saturday-morning children's schedule...The four shows to be excised are The Addams Family, Star Trek, The Jetsons, and Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch." (Broadcasting, March 17, 1975, p.41).
  • Variety announced the same news of Star Trek's animated end in an article titled, "New Kidvid Slate Firmed by NBC" (March 12, 1975, p.44)

It would not shock me if NBC did contradictory publicity for TAS, targeting both kiddies and grown Trekkoes.
 
Except it really was more adult than its contemporaries. I already pointed out several standard tropes of Saturday morning shows that it didn't employ. It told straight adventure stories that dealt with serious themes.

People tend to focus on the sillier aspects of TAS to justify their preconception that it was a kids' show, but there's plenty in TOS that's just as silly.

You're right about TOS having no shortage of wackiness. TAS struck me as perhaps making some concessions to a Saturday morning audience by skewing more toward adventure and suspense, and featuring less psychologically sophisticated drama than one would find on standout TOS entries. (Scheimer attributes any narrative struggles to the short runtime.)

I'm sure TAS acolytes will point to numerous counter-examples like the one wherein a tentacled shapeshifter takes the place of a crew~woman's husband- not standard Saturday morning fare of the seventies.

Scheimer rejects the notion that concessions were made to Saturday morning- "Little kids didn't watch it. They weren't our audience. I always hoped it would air at night."
 
But that has nothing to do with whether it's an original show or an adaptation. The original concepts that Filmation and Hanna-Barbera made were no better animated than their adaptations.

Maltin likely assumed that having to do basic adaptations of live-action shows would put further artistic limitations on an already moribund genre, acting as yet another barrier to visual expressiveness.

But Maltin could not have foreseen robust flights of fancy such as:
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Scooby Doo wasn't a children's show?

The Scooby Gang were kids, specifically of the meddling variety. They were teenagers who were theoretically still in high school, inspired by The Archies and modeled on the supposedly teenaged cast of the sitcom The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.
 
Don't forget too, although some may argue the point, Star Trek was not universally revered and quite the opposite, it was considered junk by many. Sure there were lots of fans, and they were considered goofy by mainstream people, whoever they were to be making judgments, but it's true. Calling someone a Star Trek fan was not a compliment. It didn't really seem to change until the 80s. Now Star Trek is treated in a very different manner.
 
Perceptions of Trek fandom have changed considerably over the last 15 years with Comic-Con culture becoming more dominant. But Star Trek is still associated with geekdom more so than Star Wars/superheroes, which are now as mainstream as can be... even if Abrams/Kurtzman have done much to make Trek more indistinguishable from Star Wars 'n' superheroes.
 
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WESTWIND, the show that replaced the cancelled animated Trek, looks promising.

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  • Captain Hooks and the Aborigines
  • Captain Hooks and The Crooks
  • Killer Kahuna
  • Ransom at Makena Bay
  • Shark
  • Terror Beach
  • The Deadly Photo
  • The Menehunes
  • The Night Marchers
  • The Sea Jackals
  • The Sea Snakes
  • Tutu Kane and the Shark God
  • Web of Mystery
Featuring Special Guest Star John Carradine as Captain Hooks

OK, pardon for the digression, back to THE JIHAD.
 
Nichelle Nichols' Lara was hilarious. She was so into Kirk but he had ZERO time for her. Must have been those big eyebrows.
 
Nichelle Nichols' Lara was hilarious. She was so into Kirk but he had ZERO time for her. Must have been those big eyebrows.

Despite the stereotype of Kirk as a womanizer, it was actually entirely in character for him to put the mission above romance. See "Mudd's Women," where he was the only human male in the crew who wasn't affected by the women's allure, because he was so ultra-disciplined. Generally, he didn't have romantic entanglements during missions, unless he found it useful to seduce someone as a ploy (e.g. Lenore Karidian, Sylvia, Kelinda, or Miranda Jones) or unless he was being manipulated or mentally altered in some way (e.g. with Helen Noel, Elaan, etc.). True, over the course of the series, there was presumably network pressure to make him more like the womanizing, two-fisted action heroes of other contemporary shows, but TAS was of course free from the pressure to up the sex and violence, so they were able to revert Kirk to his original characterization regarding romance and duty.
 
Despite the stereotype of Kirk as a womanizer, it was actually entirely in character for him to put the mission above romance. See "Mudd's Women," where he was the only human male in the crew who wasn't affected by the women's allure, because he was so ultra-disciplined. Generally, he didn't have romantic entanglements during missions, unless he found it useful to seduce someone as a ploy (e.g. Lenore Karidian, Sylvia, Kelinda, or Miranda Jones) or unless he was being manipulated or mentally altered in some way (e.g. with Helen Noel, Elaan, etc.). True, over the course of the series, there was presumably network pressure to make him more like the womanizing, two-fisted action heroes of other contemporary shows, but TAS was of course free from the pressure to up the sex and violence, so they were able to revert Kirk to his original characterization regarding romance and duty.
As regards to Kirk's womanising in TOS - there was a lot of it even if most of it was in the line of duty.. Kissing Ariel Shaw on the bridge, openly romancing Lenore about the ship (I know it was a ruse), going off with mechanical Ruth, shore leave on the pleasure planet. To me it didn't seem that Kirk was suffering much in the romance department.

But you had Kirk complaining that he couldn't romance Rand because of "duty" and a couple of episodes later he was chatting up Lenore or using his charm on Shaw or Miri. I wish they had just not bothered with the theme of Kirk's "sad fate" married to the ship. I think that was a hangover from Pike's character. To me Kirk was clearly a womaniser in TOS but he never let it get in the way of duty until perhaps "Requiem for Methuselah" and initial version of COTEOF. In the Menagerie they talk of Kirk's exploits with the ladies. We saw him with was it 3 ex-girlfriends in the series.
 
As regards to Kirk's womanising in TOS - there was a lot of it even if most of it was in the line of duty.. Kissing Ariel Shaw on the bridge, openly romancing Lenore about the ship (I know it was a ruse), going off with mechanical Ruth, shore leave on the pleasure planet. To me it didn't seem that Kirk was suffering much in the romance department.

Of course, but that's not the point. I'm not saying he didn't have game, I'm saying he didn't let it distract him from his duty in the middle of an active mission. Well, he somewhat did with fake Ruth, and he definitely did with Edith Keeler, but Edith was anything but a casual fling, and from Kirk's reaction to Ruth, it seems she wasn't either. The point is, given the urgency of the mission to find the Soul of Alar, and given the extreme and constant hazards of the mad planet, it's perfectly in character for Kirk to table any romantic interest in Lara and stay focused on the mission. If they'd run into each other after the mission, when there wasn't anything more important at stake, they might very well have ended up making some "green memories."


But you had Kirk complaining that he couldn't romance Rand because of "duty" and a couple of episodes later he was chatting up Lenore or using his charm on Shaw or Miri.

Again, he was only using Lenore to investigate her father. With Miri, he sweet-talked her because he needed her help and allegiance for the sake of the mission, and the episode was written in a time when it was taken for granted that the way to get on a woman's good side was with flirtation and flattery. In both cases, it was in service to other goals that had nothing to do with his hormones. With Areel, she was an old flame from his past, so the relationship was already there beforehand.

And most importantly, none of them were his direct subordinates. He was Rand's superior officer, so romancing her would've been sexual harassment. It would've been a gross abuse of authority and totally unconscionable. So it's a completely, profoundly different situation from the other cases. Granted, workplace harassment was seen as normal and routine in the '60s, and there was certainly plenty of it going on in Gene Roddenberry's office, but even at the time, they knew it would've been incompatible with military discipline for a captain to seduce someone under his direct command. (This is why Kirk was so uncomfortable with Helen Noel in "Dagger of the Mind." A deleted scene revealed that he'd only danced with her at the Christmas party because he'd thought she was a visiting civilian. On learning that she was a member of his crew, he was mortified at the accidental breach of discipline.)
 
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