Did the 1960s Trekverse have a 'real' Vic Fontaine?

[doctorfoto]

Was Vic Fontaine ever a 'real' person in the 1960's Trekverse or did Felix just invent him as a character and insert him into the real Vegas timeline with Sinatra, Victor Borge and the rest?

Since it's all made up it doesn't matter, but still got me thinking.

 

[Rhionnach]

The character is made up but James Darren did sing for real.

 

[DS9forever]

In non-canon stuff Fontaine was a real person. The Encyclopedia has a photograph of Fontaine's name appearing on a billboard in Vegas. The real Vic's lounge appears in one of the Eugenics Wars novels.

 

[doctorfoto]

The way I see it the existence of a real Vic was plausible because of the very human Mirror Vic, who I assumed must have been either an ancestor of Mirror 60s Real Vic or for whatever reason was born 400 years later in the mirror timeline.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Either that or Mirror Vic was an android.

 

[Navaros]

He wasn't a real person, Felix just fabricated him.

If he was a real person, then instead of advising people who want to hear his songs to buy a Sinatra album, he would have instead said something like, "go buy my albums, from when I was really alive as a human."

 

[Pemmer Harge]

I hope not. I'd rather think of Trek as an imagined vision of our future, not a vision of the future of some parallel universe, even if that screws up all that Khan stuff.

 

[seigezunt]

I hope not. I'd rather think of Trek as an imagined vision of our future, not a vision of the future of some parallel universe, even if that screws up all that Khan stuff.

Nope. We live in the Evil Universe.

Just check out the fall TV schedule for proof.

 

[Myasishchev]

I hope not. I'd rather think of Trek as an imagined vision of our future, not a vision of the future of some parallel universe, even if that screws up all that Khan stuff.

This is ordinarily my opinion of it, but here it's a matter of degree that seems to make a qualitative difference--a 1990s Eugenics War screws everything up. Vic Fontaine crooning in the 1960s wouldn't.

 

[Timo]

Perhaps "Felix" was in the habit of using his own image for his best holocreations? Perhaps Vic Fontaine was his real name, and his Mirror counterpart just didn't happen to take up holoprogramming as his profession or hobby, but majored in gunslinging?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Myasishchev]

Perhaps "Felix" was in the habit of using his own image for his best holocreations? Perhaps Vic Fontaine was his real name, and his Mirror counterpart just didn't happen to take up holoprogramming as his profession or hobby, but majored in gunslinging?

Timo Saloniemi

The MU doesn't really need rationalizing. It's completely bonkers just having genetically identical individuals (but eeevil) through multiple generations, despite massive distortions like the Terran Empire and its collapse. A hologuy being real in the MU is pretty much as likely and on the same plausibility level as, say, Mirror-Sisko being born. (Say, was Mirror-Sisko also conceived by the Mirror-Prophets? )

 

[snakespeare]

Well, there was the lounge version of the TOS theme... that's the closest it gets, I'm afraid.

 

[Timo]

It's completely bonkers just having genetically identical individuals (but eeevil) through multiple generations

But that's assuming that all the Mirror Universes are the same. Isn't it more likely that our Regular Universe heroes simply are fated to interact with that MU that features their closest biological counterparts, or used to feature them until recently?

The DS9 MU that has cloaks may have had a James T. Kirk in the past, but he may well have looked like Lloyd Bridges. The MU that doesn't have cloaks may never have featured a James T. Kirk... These two MUs obviously aren't one and the same, due to the cloak issue, but other MUs may quite well be similarly unrelated.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Perhaps "Felix" was in the habit of using his own image for his best holocreations?

Could be. Felix could have been some cubicle-drone type who imagined himself as a 60's lounge singer, hence he used his image for Vic.

 

[I am not Spock]

^ Mirror Vic was either a descendant of the real Vic Fontaine, an android made by a Vic Fontaine devotee, or Mirror Felix!

 

[Treker]

I like the bit where they play a Vic song just before the main fight in the battle of AR558. It's a nice touch

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

The way I see it the existence of a real Vic was plausible because of the very human Mirror Vic, who I assumed must have been either an ancestor of Mirror 60s Real Vic or for whatever reason was born 400 years later in the mirror timeline.

By that point, the MU was pretty ridiculous on DS9, as were the episodes set there.

 

[snakespeare]

It's the Mirror Universe, and Vic is a person. What does it mean to be a person? People are duplicated in reverse in the MU. One who is an artificial intelligence in the prime universe could be flesh and blood in the mirror, and vice-versa. Did they even have holograms in the MU? I don't think so. I doubt they had the resources to waste on that sort of entertainment. But that wouldn't make it so an AI wouldn't have a mirror duplicate. He'd just be flesh-and-blood. Works fer me.

 

[TheQman]

I hope not. I'd rather think of Trek as an imagined vision of our future, not a vision of the future of some parallel universe, even if that screws up all that Khan stuff.

Nope. We live in the Evil Universe.

Just check out the fall TV schedule for proof.

LOL. I love it.

 

[Kirby]

Like Dr. Whatshisname who created the Doctor on Voyager and used his own image, Felix created Vic Fontaine in his own image, and then in the MU he was a freedom fighter who used the name Vic Fontaine as an alias.