Did Spock's actions kill... [Spoilers]?

[PKTrekGirl]

T'Paul,

I changed the title of your thread, since it contained a major spoiler for the movie.

Please do not post spoilers in thread titles again.

Thanks.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Spock killed his mother

You do know there is a nitpicking thread where you can, you know, pick your nits? (if you didn't, now you know) Do we really need a new thread for each individual "issue" you have with the movie?

I don't consider Spock killing his mother to be a nitpick.

It's a major, major issue.

Since he didn't do that, it is not only NOT a "major, major issue", it's not even really a nitpick. Then again, you saw fit to open a thread about how Pine's eye colour was a canon violation, so such faulty reasoning is not surprising.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said Pine's eye colour was a canon violation.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Sam Cogsley, you (CENSORED) (so as to not get busted for flaming.)

What the HELL is that avatar?

Where the hell have you been?

It's been that way since you asked me to change the penis-rock avatar.

Want me to change it again?

 

[miraclefan]

Simple answer. Sith Happens.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Spock killed his mother

Spock's mother came within seconds of surviving.

Spock needlessly wasted precious seconds explaining to Uhura why he was beaming down to Vulcan.

If Spock hadn't dillydallied like that, Spock's mother would have survived.

Also, why didn't Enterprise beam some random Vulcans up to save them?

And if he had ran faster to the transporter he would have saved her.
And if he eaten his breakfast faster, he would have reported to duty earlier, maybe encounter Kirk sooner, figured out what was going on faster...

See how that works?

Spock's breakfast is irrelevant. Any dillydallying he did once he knew the situation on/in Vulcan is relevant.

 

[indranee]

Re: Spock killed his mother

You do know there is a nitpicking thread where you can, you know, pick your nits? (if you didn't, now you know) Do we really need a new thread for each individual "issue" you have with the movie?

I don't consider Spock killing his mother to be a nitpick.

It's a major, major issue.

of course it's a major DRAMATIC point. this ain't real life, sweetie. it's a story. and this kind of thing is called a narrative... a character growth point.

sure, Spock's mother might have died due to his possible negligence. how does that affect him? how does it affect his relationship with Sarek, with Vulcan, with (possibly) Uhura, even Kirk? how does he live with the (possible) guilt of it?

what are you going to do about it? got any ideas?

I'll tell you what, as a writer, I would jump at writing another story about it. that's exactly what a storyline is all about. it makes Spock's character richer, more convoluted. grief and guilt add to his core traits of repression and volatility.

good stuff, I'd say!

 

[Ovation]

Re: Spock killed his mother

I don't consider Spock killing his mother to be a nitpick.

It's a major, major issue.

Since he didn't do that, it is not only NOT a "major, major issue", it's not even really a nitpick. Then again, you saw fit to open a thread about how Pine's eye colour was a canon violation, so such faulty reasoning is not surprising.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said Pine's eye colour was a canon violation.

You didn't get a chance to do so, the thread was locked. But the implication, taking all your "nitpicks" together, was easily identified.

 

[T'Bonz]

Where the hell have you been?

It's been that way since you asked me to change the penis-rock avatar.

Want me to change it again?

Snowed under with work. I barely had time to do what I had to do here, much less notice any avatars. Today is the first day I could just relax and surf.

I think it's funny as hell.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Spock killed his mother

Since he didn't do that, it is not only NOT a "major, major issue", it's not even really a nitpick. Then again, you saw fit to open a thread about how Pine's eye colour was a canon violation, so such faulty reasoning is not surprising.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said Pine's eye colour was a canon violation.

You didn't get a chance to do so, the thread was locked. But the implication, taking all your "nitpicks" together, was easily identified.

That's ridiculous. Do not put words in my mouth.

 

[Gepard]

Snowed under with work. I barely had time to do what I had to do here, much less notice any avatars.

I was wondering why there'd been no brouhaha.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Where the hell have you been?

It's been that way since you asked me to change the penis-rock avatar.

Want me to change it again?

Snowed under with work. I barely had time to do what I had to do here, much less notice any avatars. Today is the first day I could just relax and surf.

I think it's funny as hell.

So do I.

But sooner or later, somebody will complain, and then it's all over.

I was wondering why there'd been no brouhaha.

Stay tuned.

 

[Arlo]

Re: Spock killed his mother

Spock's mother came within seconds of surviving.

Spock needlessly wasted precious seconds explaining to Uhura why he was beaming down to Vulcan.

If Spock hadn't dillydallied like that, Spock's mother would have survived.

Also, why didn't Enterprise beam some random Vulcans up to save them?

And if he had ran faster to the transporter he would have saved her.
And if he eaten his breakfast faster, he would have reported to duty earlier, maybe encounter Kirk sooner, figured out what was going on faster...

See how that works?

Spock's breakfast is irrelevant. Any dillydallying he did once he knew the situation on/in Vulcan is relevant.

Spock stopped to provide Uhura exposition that would pay off later in the story. Amanda was going to die by the writer's pen regardless.

 

[T'Paul]

Re: Spock killed his mother

And if he had ran faster to the transporter he would have saved her.
And if he eaten his breakfast faster, he would have reported to duty earlier, maybe encounter Kirk sooner, figured out what was going on faster...

See how that works?

Spock's breakfast is irrelevant. Any dillydallying he did once he knew the situation on/in Vulcan is relevant.

Spock stopped to provide Uhura exposition that would pay off later in the story. Amanda was going to die by the writer's pen regardless.

By that logic Nero isn't a murderer, since a writer wrote his actions into the story.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Re: Spock killed his mother

Spock's breakfast is irrelevant. Any dillydallying he did once he knew the situation on/in Vulcan is relevant.

Spock stopped to provide Uhura exposition that would pay off later in the story. Amanda was going to die by the writer's pen regardless.

By that logic Nero isn't a murderer, since a writer wrote his actions into the story.

I blame the fans since he attempt to make a decent movie for them.

 

[erebus]

Do you think if Spock KNEW that he had a choice between talking to Uhura at that time and ensuring his mother's survival that he would choose to talk to Uhura?

 

[Quark's Lobe]

At first I wondered if Uhura slightly delaying Spock played a role, but Spock had to wait for Chekov to complete the miraculous beam-out of Kirk and Sulu before Spock could use the transporter pad anyway. Spock then tells them to clear the pad and beams down as fast as Vulcanly possible. Spock's delay on the bridge was not a factor.

 

[commodore64]

Nah, Spock didn't kill his mother, but I do think him reaching for her made the lock vanish. Makes the situation even more tragic and touching.

By the way, I thought Ryder wasn't that good. (Glad she got 86ed.)

 

[urbandk]

Oh sweet jesus mary and joseph... people tell people what they are doing in the course of work. he's the commander. he needs to let people know why he does stuff.

your logic is silly, and i think you know it.

besides, it's a story, people in the audience need to know stuff too. spock did the best he could. he didn't quite have enough time.

if he hadn't said anything, amanda still would have died, because she had to for the story.

did spock really have to die at the end of TWOK? of course not. the writers could have decided that the warp drive worked in the nick of time anyways. but it makes a better story.

did sulu really have to arrive in the excelsior at the right moment in TUC? no, he could have been an hour late and the E destroyed. but he didn't.

did Kirk have to be beamed off the constellation right in time for it to destroy the doomsday machine? no, he could have died.

jesus, you could do this for every episode and movie ever.

 

[DaveyNY]

Sam Cogsley, you (CENSORED) (so as to not get busted for flaming.)

What the HELL is that avatar?

Where the hell have you been?

It's been that way since you asked me to change the penis-rock avatar.

Want me to change it again?

Snowed under with work. I barely had time to do what I had to do here, much less notice any avatars. Today is the first day I could just relax and surf.

I think it's funny as hell.

So do I.

But sooner or later, somebody will complain, and then it's all over.

I was wondering why there'd been no brouhaha.

Stay tuned.

I've been wondering for the last TWO MONTHS, when the hell She'd notice too...


One question...

What did ya do with the Huge-mongus Pair of Dilithium Tanks that were hanging off the back, that kept that Puppy going???

 

[Jeri]

Re: Spock killed his mother

His mistake was putting the lady at the edge of the cliff. That's kind of an obvious no no, isn't it?

Amanda's got a brain; it was her fault. That's exactly what I was thinking: seismic activity = don't stand on the edge.