Yes, she'd understand that this was far preferable than using a volunteer from the female crew to resolve the problem.
Did Janeway Kill Tuvix?
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Was reading another poster's contribution to the favorite scene thread. The dialogue here regards 'One' ..
ONE: No. I should not exist. I was an accident. A random convergence of technologies.
SEVEN: You are unique.
ONE: I was never meant to be. As long as I exist, you are in danger. All life on Voyager is in danger.
What a contrast to how Tuvix came to view himself. ONE chose to sacrifice himself. Tuvix couldn't.
ONE: No. I should not exist. I was an accident. A random convergence of technologies.
SEVEN: You are unique.
ONE: I was never meant to be. As long as I exist, you are in danger. All life on Voyager is in danger.
What a contrast to how Tuvix came to view himself. ONE chose to sacrifice himself. Tuvix couldn't.
And that was his right. You might not like him for making that choice but he had the right to make it.
Plenty of accidents walking around in RL as a result of unplanned pregnancies lol
I do judge them.
They didn't feel comfortable enough support or help Janeway. But they also don't have the resolve to stand for the opposite position. Evil succeeds where good people do nothing. A lack of moral backbone in a bunch of people who decide the fates of entire worlds, is not a comforting thing.
I do wonder what would have happened if Tuvix had run madly around Engineering and tried to sway the red shirts. They aren't part of the main character 'family.' They're the ones most likely to end up in Tuvix situation (or that of his opposite, Thomas Riker ), and have the Captain making the call on what to do with them. Half of them are non-Starfleet loving terrorists, and you're more likely to get variations in a larger sample size.
Would someone have spoken up? Would Janeway have stopped if they had? Would she have a possible mutiny if she told them to fuck off and let her get on with her vivisection? How would they react to the Doctor, the closest thing to an objective presence, say he can't separate them because it tramples all over medical ethics?
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Oh but I did like him(ONE) for making that choice. Tuvix was not nearly as.. er.. dare I use this word, lol... noble.
Western society doesn't view suicide as noble. Rather the extreme opposite, for better or for worse. There's a reason why a 'self sacrifice' in our fiction usually involves the participant fighting until the bitter end.
There's also a reason why exceptions (for eg. Seven Pounds) are heavily derided. In a world where nearly every suicidal person believes 'life will be bettered by my absence from it,' they don't need that attitude glorified as 'noble'.
There's also a reason why exceptions (for eg. Seven Pounds) are heavily derided. In a world where nearly every suicidal person believes 'life will be bettered by my absence from it,' they don't need that attitude glorified as 'noble'.
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Tuvix would have been completely safe if he just killed the Doctor.
Actually?
It's only 6 episodes until the Doctor dies of old age in The Swarm.
It's a mercy killing
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As far as the no where to run thing goes...
In 1 episode he would have been Captain after Janeway and Tuvok get nasty insect bites.
In 2 episodes, he could have signed up with Seska, or been trapped on an L class planet where they didn't have the technology to split him any longer.
In 10 episodes, he could have bilked off to 20th century Earth. Fashioned a subspace transpoder from ordinary household appliances, and hitchhiked off world and out of histories way.
In 11 episodes Kes stopped caring about Neelix and welcomed the kitchen rats departure from her life.
In 12 episodes, the Q could have split Tuvix, or made the rest of the crew forget that there had ever been a Neelix and Tuvok, depending on who sucked up harder.
In 14 episodes Tuvix became a convicted drug dealer, and killed a cop. Janeway should have kicked Neelix off the ship at this point. Drugs are bad.
In 15 episodes, a hot girl, who turns out to be a cronenberg in a box, invites Tuvok to move in with her and make a whole lot of whoopee.
You get the idea.
Is Tuvixing superior to Assimilation? Would the Borg upskill their tool for networking minds if someone told them that this was a possibility, which is why the Borg could never see Tuvix a valid life choice. Otherwise the universe would end soon after trillions of trillions of individuals had smashed together into one perfect snobby elite prick.
Actually?
It's only 6 episodes until the Doctor dies of old age in The Swarm.
It's a mercy killing
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/29825ae7-d441-4691-a100-99cad700a5bb
As far as the no where to run thing goes...
In 1 episode he would have been Captain after Janeway and Tuvok get nasty insect bites.
In 2 episodes, he could have signed up with Seska, or been trapped on an L class planet where they didn't have the technology to split him any longer.
In 10 episodes, he could have bilked off to 20th century Earth. Fashioned a subspace transpoder from ordinary household appliances, and hitchhiked off world and out of histories way.
In 11 episodes Kes stopped caring about Neelix and welcomed the kitchen rats departure from her life.
In 12 episodes, the Q could have split Tuvix, or made the rest of the crew forget that there had ever been a Neelix and Tuvok, depending on who sucked up harder.
In 14 episodes Tuvix became a convicted drug dealer, and killed a cop. Janeway should have kicked Neelix off the ship at this point. Drugs are bad.
In 15 episodes, a hot girl, who turns out to be a cronenberg in a box, invites Tuvok to move in with her and make a whole lot of whoopee.
You get the idea.
Is Tuvixing superior to Assimilation? Would the Borg upskill their tool for networking minds if someone told them that this was a possibility, which is why the Borg could never see Tuvix a valid life choice. Otherwise the universe would end soon after trillions of trillions of individuals had smashed together into one perfect snobby elite prick.
It's the plants fault. Tuvixing with humanoids and plant created.. Tuvix . Whereas the Borg, ONE, morphed from technology, nanoprobes and humanoid.
If the Borg wished to use Tuvixing to upgrade they would need a supply of mini transporters, orchids, venus flytraps and of course the various humanoids to add to their new collective. Those Wolverine things they normally use for regular assimilation are tidier. Also merging two Tuvix combinations into a doubleTuvix would be.. ugly. And that would be just the start. How would you then get two Tuvixons to smash together? They would be running around asserting their individual sentience, you would need extra security to round them up.
Interesting though when Tuvok was assimilated as a Borg in Unimatrix Zero his inhibitor the Doctor supplied was.. faulty. Do no harm?
If the Borg wished to use Tuvixing to upgrade they would need a supply of mini transporters, orchids, venus flytraps and of course the various humanoids to add to their new collective. Those Wolverine things they normally use for regular assimilation are tidier. Also merging two Tuvix combinations into a doubleTuvix would be.. ugly. And that would be just the start. How would you then get two Tuvixons to smash together? They would be running around asserting their individual sentience, you would need extra security to round them up.
Interesting though when Tuvok was assimilated as a Borg in Unimatrix Zero his inhibitor the Doctor supplied was.. faulty. Do no harm?
I didn't see ONE as being suicidal, like say 'Q' Quinn was. ONE wasn't actively wanting to end his existence but in processing the situation as he was lying there he knew that the Borg would keep trying to assimilate him. I think he would have chosen to live otherwise. ONE didn't want Seven or the crew of Voyager to be destoyed. Tuvix was okay with Tuvok and Neelix being destroyed..
Tuvix had no say in them being destroyed or not. He wasn't even born yet. If a mother bleeds out after a fetus unexpectay turns and induced labour, only a dickhead holds it against the child resulting. Or better yet, demands the kid be a human sacrifice to resurrect the mother.
And if Tuvok and Neelix are both 'alive' (and Tuvix was not a unique and living person in his own right) then why is it right for Janeway to have ignored 'their' decision to not separate? If he's the sum of them, then they were fine with the situation. Meaning Janeway purposely mutilated two-ish people against their will because...Kes cried in her shoulder.
And if Tuvok and Neelix are both 'alive' (and Tuvix was not a unique and living person in his own right) then why is it right for Janeway to have ignored 'their' decision to not separate? If he's the sum of them, then they were fine with the situation. Meaning Janeway purposely mutilated two-ish people against their will because...Kes cried in her shoulder.
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"In" her shoulder?
We are all just cancer and hair hanging off bone.
That is literally not anyone's shoulder.
Here I was thinking that, you were talking about the arm pit, or making an entirely new hole.
That is literally not anyone's shoulder.
Here I was thinking that, you were talking about the arm pit, or making an entirely new hole.
I thought Tuvix was a pretty nice guy and if I didn't know Tuvock or Neelix, then in that case, no I don't think I could have done it. What about you?
Shit. Shoulder joint. Don't put your nose in the shoulder joint.
And if that area isn't your shoulder, why do Romulans keep putting shoulder pads on it?
The human race is the result of mutation. Lots of mutations. As is every macro-organism that we're aware of.
Guess y'all had better start lining up to do 'the noble' thing then. Crimes against nature, and all that.
And if that area isn't your shoulder, why do Romulans keep putting shoulder pads on it?
The human race is the result of mutation. Lots of mutations. As is every macro-organism that we're aware of.
Guess y'all had better start lining up to do 'the noble' thing then. Crimes against nature, and all that.
If you didn't know Tuvok or Neelix I think it would still be the right thing to save the two (+ plant) he was made up of.
Be nice to forget that Tuvok was in there. Nice to forget Neelix was in there, and not as two halfs. They were two beings, they had been two separate wholes. Tuvix was not a co-joined being. He was a transporter malfunction. It is nothing like a mother with a child If a mother births a child at least you know there was an order of life that having both alive was possible. With Tuvix he required the denial of Tuvok and Neelix to be.. He demanded they not be brought back.
I don't blame Kes or Janeway. They preferred Tuvok and Neelix. If one of them had been my brother I would save him over that aberration in a heartbeat.
Be nice to forget that Tuvok was in there. Nice to forget Neelix was in there, and not as two halfs. They were two beings, they had been two separate wholes. Tuvix was not a co-joined being. He was a transporter malfunction. It is nothing like a mother with a child If a mother births a child at least you know there was an order of life that having both alive was possible. With Tuvix he required the denial of Tuvok and Neelix to be.. He demanded they not be brought back.
I don't blame Kes or Janeway. They preferred Tuvok and Neelix. If one of them had been my brother I would save him over that aberration in a heartbeat.
After Relativity, Janeway was 3 or four different Janeways from slightly different timelines stuffed into one body.
Where's the compassions for those women?
Where's the compassions for those women?
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