in lower decks they say it’s “mostly that”, though, “that” being implied being sex.
Did Geordie marry a REAL girl?
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Picard's Enterprise was the first holodeck where believable sex was possible after the Bynars made their enhancements. The Cerritos' adventures are taking place 15 years later. Its a brand new world.
"Trekkie Monster," in Avenue Q.
I think that once holodecks became a thing, simple sex was possible. Actual romance, not so much. Look at Minuet after the Bynars were gone. Riker probably could have gone to bed with her, but it would have been like a blow-up doll. The Minuet he was so enchanted by... she no longer existed.
Not sure about that, because of the holographic barkeeper in "Manhunt" who got it on with Lwaxana 
that’s true. But, given how popular are sex toys in the real world, which of course aren’t exactly realistic, I suspect that holosex would have been already a thing long before holographic people could pass off as real persons.
I know its hard to believe, but once upon a time, people used to masturbate to magazines.
I watched the Booby Trap and Galaxy's Child last night.
GEORDI KISSED HER at the end of the Booby Trap.
Innocence denied!
In 11001001, Picard waltzes onto the holodeck and catches Riker kissing a hologram (Minuet), and promptly apologizes. He then leaves them later, saying "two's company" with an acknowledgment that Riker will have his privacy. The implication is that he was just fine with Riker getting frisky on the holodeck, and a further implication is that this was something done before the Bynar enhancements of that episode. Maybe believable sex was first implemented in the Bynar redesign (I have my doubts), but Picard and Riker were very familiar (perhaps intimately familiar) with the non-believable sex of decades before.
It's for things so depraved, most would hesitate to call it "sex"
What I saw in Galaxy's child would stop just about anyone from getting super freaky on the Holodeck... The playback feature is not password protected.
Leah replaying HoloLeah's script from The Booby Trap Verbatim.
Everything is recorded, and it's all on the public record.
wasn’t Picard under the false premise that minuet was a real woman?
yeah, Starfleet has horrible computer security, but that is something we all knew already.
Not sure about that, because of the holographic barkeeper in "Manhunt" who got it on with Lwaxana
What i meant is, it's very likely that the creation of realistic characters like Minuet was still or again being possible after the Bynars tampering with the holodeck was reversed. Maybe the system was still having a few bugs and glitches at the end of this episode, that were fixed shortly after.
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They were storing personalities on The Enterprise's hard drive.
There's a new hologram with a sexy personality on the holodeck moments after the Bynars start downloading personalities onto the D's mainframe.
Personality.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
Minuette was not AI or even Artificial.
"She" was a Bynar.
Were they a sexless race?
Google says that they were genderless.
Riker has a type.
Yep. That's possible. But on the other side, i wonder if Riker recreated Minuet at a later time on the Holodeck again, if he wouldn't have got something really close to the Bynar version.
Trek canon regarding sentient holograms is really screwy. Moriarty was created almost accidentally. Vic was programmed to be how he was. And the EMH was supposed to be used only in short bursts, but attained sentience because he was used constantly. And I think we saw similar issues elsewhere: the village in "Shadowplay" for instance.
But even normal holograms seemed to vary. Minuet (sans Bynars) was just a shell. But holo-Leah and Michael Sullivan were real enough for humans to become attracted to them.
But even normal holograms seemed to vary. Minuet (sans Bynars) was just a shell. But holo-Leah and Michael Sullivan were real enough for humans to become attracted to them.
HUMANS ARE DELUSIONAL!
In France you're allowed to marry the dead.
And infrastructure.
Michael Sullivan was not "real". Someone wrote parameters on his personality, and he's stuck inside that. So what if he can make an old lady shiver with anticipation? Janeway was on that Boat for 7 years and barely three people tried to bang her. Maybe Kim's roaring success, sexually, is why Kathryn refused to promote him?
There's your ##cking Mirror MIrror episode!
Zimmerman's holo assist Haley had been turned on for a decade, and was showing signs of unusual behaviour... Or Zimmerman programmed her once a month to pretend that she was becoming a real girl, and boffed him.
I believe that the crew of the D chasing after Data's sentience, was seen by Zimmerman as a massive waste of time, in a good way, its entertainment, so he programmed the Doctor to pretend that he was growing and becoming alive, to stop the humanoid crew from going space crazy.
That somebody was Tom Paris, and Janeway herself afterward.
If Janeway had been as undisciplined and love-crazy as you say, I expect she would have wound up in the sack with her first officer at some point. When those two exchanged glances, mirrors in the room steamed up.
Let's look closer at his "successes"... girlfriend on earth, lost (twice). Right twin, he wasn't interested. Wrong twin, she wasn't interested. Planet full of babes, almost killed him. Pseudo-hologram, dumped him for Tuvok. Tom's half-Ocampa daughter, wiped from history. Ex Borg, didn't go anywhere. Alien traveler woman, got him VD and a reprimand, then bugged out on him. Real hologram, turned into a cow. Alien race driver, turned out to be terrorist. And Tom Paris, nothing happened because they were both straight.
Maybe his epic disastrous failures are why Janeway stuck with high pitched sonic showers.
Janeway was locked into an engagement, fed a French guy pie, chased a monkey, pretended to be a prostitute for 15 seconds, refused an offer of implantation from God, ignored the kitchen rat scratching at her panty draws, lied about being hot for a space Nazi, brainwashed into having Seven for a girlfriend in wwii France, screwed a hologram, refused an advance from the Doctor, and was given a boyfriend after being brainwashed to forget everything.
Kim is Don Juan Dong by comparison
I could totally see those two ending up as lifelong singles. Talk about unlucky in love...
The word is incel.
I can totally see all the women on Voyager holding a draft for the available men.
How many bad dates can Harry have, before he's blacklisted?
Marla Gilmore?
All those poor men frozen out for years, and suddenly there's a fresh fish on the deck.
"Don't you care that I am a mass murderer?"
"Not especially, more wine?"
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