Did 'Enterprise' really happen?

[Guy Gardener]

That was the first time Riker used that program... if he had gone through every episode ever made then that would have taken him 64 hours and 40 minutes... Now I know it's been made out that Will was ignoring his job bumming about in the holodeck while the Romulans were trying to destroy them all... But just short of 3 days observing childish morality pageants to push him into growing a pair?

of course... it's never been said that the complete series was watched during Pegasus, and it was never anyones implication to think so... But after Pegasus, therapeutically, whenever Will has a problem, Deanna throws him another "episode" from the "catalog" to charm willing into cowboying up for his principles and ships safety like a real man would need three fingers of Scotch.

So really, the real question, is that if it all was just a bundle of the councilors medical tools, then which episodes of TNG made her reach for which episodes of ENT to keep every one aboard the Enterprise D mentally healthy?

 

[Chip]

TeutonicNights said:
I like the idea, but the Holodeck would NEVER get the thing about the Romulan cloak wrong.

Much like they would never call a Klingon fighter a Bird of Prey; oh, wait they DID call a Klingon ship a Bird of Prey! How does that affect the canon status of Star Trek III?

 

[TeutonicNights]

Chip said:

TeutonicNights said:
I like the idea, but the Holodeck would NEVER get the thing about the Romulan cloak wrong.

Much like they would never call a Klingon fighter a Bird of Prey; oh, wait they DID call a Klingon ship a Bird of Prey! How does that affect the canon status of Star Trek III?

The Romulan ships were never called "Birds of Prey" in TOS.
They had birds depicted on their hulls, but ENT didn't even get that right

 

[Nerys Myk]

All we know is that the Romulans ships during the E-R War and in the 23rd Century have the birds on the hull Though the Romulans seemed to abandoned the practice when they started using Klingon ships.

 

[JohnV]

Guy Gardener said:
That was the first time Riker used that program... if he had gone through every episode ever made then that would have taken him 64 hours and 40 minutes... Now I know it's been made out that Will was ignoring his job bumming about in the holodeck while the Romulans were trying to destroy them all... But just short of 3 days observing childish morality pageants to push him into growing a pair?

of course... it's never been said that the complete series was watched during Pegasus, and it was never anyones implication to think so... But after Pegasus, therapeutically, whenever Will has a problem, Deanna throws him another "episode" from the "catalog" to charm willing into cowboying up for his principles and ships safety like a real man would need three fingers of Scotch.

So really, the real question, is that if it all was just a bundle of the councilors medical tools, then which episodes of TNG made her reach for which episodes of ENT to keep every one aboard the Enterprise D mentally healthy?

Maybe she just used TATV whenever anyone had a problem.

It has as much to do with any other TNG episode as Pegasus.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well then? Was there a better episode of Enterprise which Deanna could have shown Will? Maybe Hatchery or the Andorian Incident?

The Andorian Incident would have been perfect!!!

Archer outted the hell out of that Vulcan listening post despite the Andorians being the "bad guys" because he could tell the difference between right and wrong.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Brutal Strudel said:
It's as "real" as any of the spin-offs, for better or for worse.

It's as "real" as TOS itself, in fact.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Starship Polaris said:

Brutal Strudel said:
It's as "real" as any of the spin-offs, for better or for worse.

It's as "real" as TOS itself, in fact.

Are you telling me TOS is not a documentary from the future?!? ARGH!

 

[Irishman]

McCoy said:
This has probably been discussed before but here we go anyway.

Throughout the series people are always talking about Chef but we never see him/her. In the last episode, Chef is revealed as Riker. Could that mean that the entire show was just a simulation that Riker (and possibly others) ran from time to time?

Huh? Is this serious? Chef was not revealed as Riker. Have you seen the ep? Riker assumed the person of Chef at Troi's prompting, because she said ships of that era didn't have counselors and the chef was the closest thing they had. She implied that chefs of that era heard everyone's tales onboard, everyone's suppositions and gripes and concerns. He stepped into Chef's role as a way to get the crewmembers to open up to them. Apparently, the simulation was very thorugh, taking data from the time and historians to flesh them out as people instead of just names and faces in a database.

 

[shatastrophic]

No it didn't happen. It was a simulation...
Or
Sisko created the timeline which was considered canon that occured before Enterprise was filmed by impersonating Gabriel Belle when he and Bashir were thrown back in time. From there the events occured as they did moving thru the TOS, into TNG and finally DS9. Picard then travels back in time to Earth to stop the Borg in First Contact only to create the timeline in which Enterprise does occur and exists. Eventhough the effects of the Enterprise-E eventually changed the birth of the Federation to a degree with the existence of a Non-Federation Starfleet vessel named Enterprise, this new timeline had little effect on later events which unraveled as they did in the previous timeline resulting with little or no change to events in TOS, TNG, and DS9. With this Sisko still returns back in time to replace Gabriel Belle, thus causing the original pre-Enterprise timeline to occur again. As always, First Contact occurs, causing the Enterprise timeline to once again occur. This keeps happening over and over throughout eternity. This explains why no references were made concerning Archer and his Enterprise until after the events of First Contact. In Nemesis we see the Uss Archer as part of the battle fleet we never see. When Riker is in the simulation in TATV, this happens of course before First Contact, but also before Sisko goes back to be Belle. TATV occurs within the "First Contact" timeline. Then Sisko creates the "Belle" timeline which is where we have the episode "The Pegasus" in its original form...
Or
It was all a dream. Archer awakes to find the other half of the bed empty. He groggily stumbles to the bathroom only to find the shower running. He moves back the curtain to find Trip bathing and that he did not die at all.

 

[Plissken]

This thread reminds me of this one time when my car got crashed really bad. And then I got home, and had it towed into my parking space. And then I went to sleep and had a dream that my car was all smashed up. And then I woke the next morning and I thought, "Wait! Did it happen?!" And I was happy for a brief second because I thought all of it was a dream.

Then I ran and looked out my window and the horrible reality set it. Yes, it really did happen.

 

[DumbDumb2007]

yes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Plissken said:
This thread reminds me of this one time when my car got crashed really bad. And then I got home, and had it towed into my parking space. And then I went to sleep and had a dream that my car was all smashed up. And then I woke the next morning and I thought, "Wait! Did it happen?!" And I was happy for a brief second because I thought all of it was a dream.

Then I ran and looked out my window and the horrible reality set it. Yes, it really did happen.

I once had a dream I was riding my Byicycle. That was fine. then I did a little jump, and began flying like a bird. Still fine. Nothing unusual. Then soaring a hundred feet in the air like I was superman, I remebered that yesterday I had gotten a puncture... I thought about it for a while as the clouds zoomed by, and I didn't remember at all, ever fixing that puncture. But how could my flying bicycle be fine and in perfectly working order if I hadn't... Well better than fine since it could fly now if it hadn't like maybe the tire hadn't spontaneously regenerated? Something was fishy. If I hadn't fixed my tire then I must be dreaming I finally concluded.

Not a metaphor, this actually happened.