Did 'Enterprise' really happen?
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Sure, but I'm not convinced that anything that was shown to have happened post-first contact (i.e., Insurrection, Nemesis) or Enterprise was part of the same universe as TOS, TNG, DS9, or VOY. Ah, my own personal canon.
Heh heh, yeah, just like they should have gone with Ron Moore's ending for DS9 and made it just another one of Benny Russell's stories.
In fact, how do we know that wasn't really what happened? Benny did write a story about a space station and we never actually saw that Benny's story WASN'T about DS9.
Just something to speculate about.
On a serious note, I do think that ENT is, and has to be, Canon. I do wish they had made a bit of a greater effort to have the show fit into the overall storyline. I.e. do some things that could tie in a bit more to things that Kirk et al later said. The ENT references to the eugenics wars were good, but they should have done more of this.
from the script:
HERBERT
It's a damn fine piece of writing
is what it is. And "Deep Space
Nine" is a very intriguing title.
From the other script:
"Captain Sisco opened the orb of the Emissary."
Although, it's been suggested, that all that was just false visions sent by the Paugh Wraiths to frack up their enemies champion.
"Captain Sisco opened the orb of the Emissary."
Although, it's been suggested, that all that was just false visions sent by the Paugh Wraiths to frack up their enemies champion.
I always thought the second time was a false vision, but the first time was "real". But that doesn't really make sense.
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Officially? Yes, Enterprise happened.
Unofficially in my head? Only Season 4 actually happened, sans TATV.
Plus, anything that contradicts what TOS/TNG/DS9 says never happened either.
J.
Unofficially in my head? Only Season 4 actually happened, sans TATV.
Plus, anything that contradicts what TOS/TNG/DS9 says never happened either.
J.
I'm in favor of Enterprise happening, and TATV was a mistake... with that said, I was disappointed with TATV, esp since it really felt like a TNG episode, but it wasn't really as bad as I remembered it. It simply didn't fit in.
I thought TATV was fine.
ENT = Not. Unreal.
ENT = Not. Unreal.
Obviously ENT is canon. But it's more than plausible that it happens in an altered timeline. In FC Zefram Cochrane has an attitude change thanks to the TNG crew and he also gets a look at the ENT-E, which may have influenced warp ship design after that point.
The Borg found in the ice in ENT also would never have happened. However, this didn't do a bad job of explaining why (in "Q Who?") Earth had no awareness of the Borg at a point in time AFTER the Hansens (on VOY) were already looking for them.
There is also this whole Temporal Cold War thing, which is addressed over several episodes in seasons 1 and 2 and which then leads directly to the whole Delphic Expanse/Xindi arc, and then it's all resolved at the start of season 4 when NX-O1 goes back to the alternate 1944 and effectively prevents the Temporal Cold War from ever starting. So does that therefore mean that the rest of season 4 of ENT is even in a slightly altered timeline from the first 3? That none of the Daniels/Silik stuff ever happened?
In some VOY episode Janeway makes a comment about how temporal paradoxes give her a headache. It's understandable.
The Borg found in the ice in ENT also would never have happened. However, this didn't do a bad job of explaining why (in "Q Who?") Earth had no awareness of the Borg at a point in time AFTER the Hansens (on VOY) were already looking for them.
There is also this whole Temporal Cold War thing, which is addressed over several episodes in seasons 1 and 2 and which then leads directly to the whole Delphic Expanse/Xindi arc, and then it's all resolved at the start of season 4 when NX-O1 goes back to the alternate 1944 and effectively prevents the Temporal Cold War from ever starting. So does that therefore mean that the rest of season 4 of ENT is even in a slightly altered timeline from the first 3? That none of the Daniels/Silik stuff ever happened?
In some VOY episode Janeway makes a comment about how temporal paradoxes give her a headache. It's understandable.
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Nerys Myk said:
Then you're in luck. Most of ENT doesn't contradict what happened on TOS/TNG/DS9.
Well, that's good. I still prefer Season 4 much, much more than the others.
J.
My friend was rather pissed by the what he perceived as the implication that all of ENT was a holo-simulation in TATV. As for me, I thought it was just that one instance and that the simulation was faulty (as well as the script).
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