Did Enterprise have to grow on anyone else?
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Count me down as a late Enterprise bloomer as well. When it premiered, I thought it was... ok. I liked the fact that they didn't have everything figured out as the Federation and regularly got their butts whooped by things other than Doomsday planet killers and Gods. What I didn't like was the overarching Temporal Cold War plot line right out of the gate before they established the show and the characters. Then that was followed by the equally bad (IMO) Xindi overarching plot line which didn't help either. The final nail in the coffin was that the UPN in my area put the show directly up against the SCIFI Friday lineup on the SCIFI channel. It was literally at the same time as Stargate SG-1 back when the show was at its prime. When faced with a mediocre Enterprise show that I wanted to like as it showed (unfulfilled) potential and my current favorite new scifi show, I chose SG-1. At the time, my VCR (hey, it was 2002ish!) could only record one show and I worked every second weekend and had a girlfriend that demanded I entertain her with something other than a couch on a Friday night. Most of my friday viewing was afterthefact and I simply lost track of Enterprise both figuratively (the plot) and literally (they finally moved the show to another night sometime late in second season or early third and I didn't even know it).
I watched episodes here and there over the decade after but nothing that would allow me to spark much of an interest until I was bored with regular TV earlier this year and watched it from beginning to end. It improved significantly in the third season and got really good in the fourth but apparently it was too late by then. In hindsight, they should have gone IMO with the 4th season format of 2 stand alone episodes followed by a multiparter... then back to the 2 stand alones. That to me was the perfect mix.
I watched episodes here and there over the decade after but nothing that would allow me to spark much of an interest until I was bored with regular TV earlier this year and watched it from beginning to end. It improved significantly in the third season and got really good in the fourth but apparently it was too late by then. In hindsight, they should have gone IMO with the 4th season format of 2 stand alone episodes followed by a multiparter... then back to the 2 stand alones. That to me was the perfect mix.
I like thee look of things as well. There isn't as much blinking\strobe light effects which is also a plus.
I have gotten around to the start of Season 2 of the Blu-ray set now and have saw some of the extra's from the discs and came across the cast reunion one with Braga and the cast talking about the show, with Braga actually stating that he was actually getting some 'feedback' from fans now who are re-watching the series or are just coming to it and its rather positive in that fans are more appreciative of Enterprise now than they were during the original run. and Scott Bakula actually saying he felt Enterprise's turnaround happened during mid-late season 2 which seems to back up what most people say in that seasons 3-4 were the best of the run.
Ugggh, just finished season 2 - what a slog. Even duller than season one. Into season three now, I understand that it picks up this year?
Man, that jazzed up theme song is even worse than the original.
And is it just me or did the end of season 2/start of season 3 start upping the "sexiest" quotient, with T'Pol begging Phlox and Malcolm for sex, T'Pol being massaged by Trip? It's really blatant and out of place. Seems forced into the story. Like the porny second gel scene in the pilot and Hoshi's shirt falling off in that season one episode....
I don't have an issue with nudity and sex in TV - my favourite show is Deadwood - but this occasional softcore stuff does not work for this show.
Man, that jazzed up theme song is even worse than the original.
And is it just me or did the end of season 2/start of season 3 start upping the "sexiest" quotient, with T'Pol begging Phlox and Malcolm for sex, T'Pol being massaged by Trip? It's really blatant and out of place. Seems forced into the story. Like the porny second gel scene in the pilot and Hoshi's shirt falling off in that season one episode....
I don't have an issue with nudity and sex in TV - my favourite show is Deadwood - but this occasional softcore stuff does not work for this show.
I don't find the Pon Farr episode particularly sexy. I feel bad for T'Pol, being out of control.
The massage stuff in season 2 was handled awkwardly, but it does serve the ongoing arc of their relationship.
Hoshi lost her top in season 2's first ep, which followed season 1's cliffhanger. It was contrived, but I could imagine her losing her shirt in that situation, and I loved the pissed off look she gave Malcolm. It's like Carol Marcus in her underwear in STID - her attitude isn't "I'm so sexy", it's "What the hell are you looking at,
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The massage stuff in season 2 was handled awkwardly, but it does serve the ongoing arc of their relationship.
Hoshi lost her top in season 2's first ep, which followed season 1's cliffhanger. It was contrived, but I could imagine her losing her shirt in that situation, and I loved the pissed off look she gave Malcolm. It's like Carol Marcus in her underwear in STID - her attitude isn't "I'm so sexy", it's "What the hell are you looking at,
?"
It's like Carol Marcus in her underwear in STID - her attitude isn't "I'm so sexy", it's "What the hell are you looking at,
Yeah, but for the creators it's "lol, bewbs."
I'm currently doing an Enterprise re watch thanks to the Netflix deal (almost finished season 1) and it commits the cardinal sin for all TV shows in my opinion. Namely, it's often boring, bland characters, no chemistry, very little action. I could go on. If I wasn't such a freak for sci-fi porn I wouldn't still be watching. I think if it was made now all the extraneous episodes would not be made and it would be a lean mean 13 episode series based entirely around the Temporal Cold War plot line.
I don't find the Pon Farr episode particularly sexy. I feel bad for T'Pol, being out of control.
The massage stuff in season 2 was handled awkwardly, but it does serve the ongoing arc of their relationship.
Hoshi lost her top in season 2's first ep, which followed season 1's cliffhanger. It was contrived, but I could imagine her losing her shirt in that situation, and I loved the pissed off look she gave Malcolm. It's like Carol Marcus in her underwear in STID - her attitude isn't "I'm so sexy", it's "What the hell are you looking at,
I didn't find those moments particularly sexy either, I found them lame, failed attempts to try and shoe horn in sex appeal. It's a failure on the part of the writers and directors and a fairly obvious attempt to grab ratings (or, in ID's case, box office dollars). It shows disrespect to the audience - " Here's a girl oiling herself for five minutes, watch our show".
There's nothing wrong with sex in a TV show (or movie) - we're sexual beings. They just handled it poorly in what I've seen so far.
Anyway, it's a minor part of the show. Maybe it gets better like the rest of the show is supposed to in 3 and 4, more natural less forced.
Ironically, ENT was also accused of having too much action.
I quit watching Enterprise after 15 episodes, because the bland characters en the dull stories
I'm surprised by that. DS9 had an entire war. ENT, at least by my point of viewing, hasn't had much combat, although that seems to be changing.
I don't think I'd call the characters bland either, although I do find Bakula's Archer to be annoying and I'm not a fan of Blalock's acting. I like the rest of the cast / characters though.
I imagine that if you force yourself to watch a show you despise on principle, that attitude will colour your perceptions.
I'd say most of ENT's characters have definite personalities, with the weak points being Travis and Hoshi. I'm not going to start a feud by listing characters from the other shows who I think are bland.
I'd say most of ENT's characters have definite personalities, with the weak points being Travis and Hoshi. I'm not going to start a feud by listing characters from the other shows who I think are bland.
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I completely forgot about Travis! Ok, in that case I have to agree with that other poster, he is blandI imagine that if you force yourself to watch a show you despise on principle, that attitude will colour your perceptions.
I'd say most of ENT's characters have definite personalities, with the weak points being Travis and Hoshi. I'm not going to start a feud by listing characters from the other shows who I think are bland.
Ironically, most people thought the Temporal Cold War was extraneous.
Although I blame it more on the writing, Bakula overacted whenever Archer was angry. Everyone says he's a nice guy in RL so I think he was overcompensating.
Some say Jolene Blalock's was wooden until season 3. But in Unexpected, T'Pol seemed to enjoy busting Trip's chops for getting pregnant. And in hindsight, showed some jealousy. That wouldn't have come through if Blalock's acting really was that bad. Too bad Archer still thought T'Pol had no sense of humor even though he was in the room where it happened.
I'd say most of ENT's characters have definite personalities, with the weak points being Travis and Hoshi. I'm not going to start a feud by listing characters from the other shows who I think are bland.
Hoshi had a nice growth arc of going from wuss to brave officer. It's just that they didn't do enough of it. It wouldn't have been that hard to make her interesting without the contrived history in Observer Effect.
Yeah, it's an odd criticism. Is she wooden or is she too emotional? Make up your mind, guys!
I think she was good at suggesting emotions going on under a stoic exterior. In that respect, I'd say she was probably a better Vulcan than Soval. But maybe some found it too subtle.
Yep. This is a running joke among ENT fans.I completely forgot about Travis! Ok, in that case I have to agree with that other poster, he is bland
I like Reid's social awkwardness and his need for military order to get him through his daily interactions. It's a type of character I don't think Star Trek has really shown before. I'm glad they made the show in 2001 and not a few years later though, otherwise they'd have said he had aspergers or, at the very least, was "on the spectrum" like every show said about their awkward characters from 2005-present.
Phlox is entertaining, although I find his morals a bit skewed. I find the actor did a great job in his performance.
Hoshi has too much focus on her seemingly magical linguistic powers but I like her overall. She brings a nice quality to the show with her youth and innocence.
Trip is fine. I think Trinneer has quite a bit of charisma and did the best with what he could.
Phlox is entertaining, although I find his morals a bit skewed. I find the actor did a great job in his performance.
Hoshi has too much focus on her seemingly magical linguistic powers but I like her overall. She brings a nice quality to the show with her youth and innocence.
Trip is fine. I think Trinneer has quite a bit of charisma and did the best with what he could.
I'd rather have a character on the spectrum than for Bermaga to be burned out. We would have got fresher stories and less franchise fatigue if it came out in 2005.
eyeresist said:
Jolene Blalock's acting is like a Rorschach test. People who don't know anything about Vulcans tend to say she was wooden (see the message board of her IMDB page). But in another thread, some people think T'Pol being all over the place emotionally has to do with Jolene's acting being inferior to Leonard Nimoy's (if not subpar).
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/spock-did-get-emotional-in-this-show.282409/#post-11675408
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