Did Deanna rat-out Soren to the Sex Police?

[Guy Gardener]

Actually, most of the eligible men were Bringloidi like Brenna, and probably happy to go at it with her. The clones, since they had little sexual interest and Beverly said they were basically walking dead due to 15 generations of genetic drift, were best used strictly for training the Bringloidi and their offspring to use computers and replicators instead of spinning wheels and potheen stills.

DANILO: Well, you put a young couple together and you let nature take its course.
PULASKI: Now if this is going to work, you're going to have to alter your society, too. Monogamous marriage will not be possible for several generations.
DANILO: I don't quite understand.
PULASKI: Thirty couples are enough to create a viable genetic base. But the broader the base the healthier and the safer the society. So it will be best if each woman, Bringloidi and Mariposan, had at least three children by three different men.
DANILO: I think I could handle that, yes.
GRANGER: Oh, God, it's so
PICARD: Frightening?
GRANGER: Repugnant.
DANILO: So, it's a done deal? And here's my hand on it. (complete with spit) Right, now, let's go and stake out my three women. Send in the clones.
PICARD: I must be out of my mind.
PULASKI: Starfleet will probably agree with you.

So the thurppling was Pulaski's idea. Maybe I don't hate her after all?

Although quite frankly if the clones don't want to bang, then they can splooge into a beaker, and the women can shop around for what they want at a semen store. Making diverse babies in the lab has to be a lot easier than forcing orgies on people who are unprepared for group sex or the 24th century.

 

[Oddish]

Pulaski's advice about including the Mariposans was wrong, IMO. If they were as genetically trashed by cloning iterations as she implied they were, better to let them die off and start fresh with the Bringloidi.

Between that advice and participation when Riker, you know, murdered two people... not Pulaski's best episode.

 

[Takeru]

She didn't seem to care about Elector Beata in "Angel One." She and Tasha had a good laugh over the dumb clothing Riker wore for his sleepover "date" with her.

That's what she wants Will to think.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's what she wants Will to think.

Liminally Dee and Yar were angry that Will was subjecting himself to female domination.

Subliminally Dee and Yar thought They owned Will, and this new #### can just back the #### off.

 

[Oddish]

Remember that in the 24th century (even in the 20th for that matter), reproduction does not require intercourse. However, I maintain that with 225 Bringloidi with distinct genetic patterns, they could easily exclude the clones, who (1) had only five patterns to add, (2) were so genetically mangled that they were "walking dead", and (3) had no interest in "beast with two backs" anyway.

Regarding Deanna and Soren, having been subjected to mental violation herself, I serious doubt that she would assist in a similar violation of another sentient being. And forcible conversion therapy, whether it works or not, is a violation. Troi, as a therapist, would understand that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Remember that in the 24th century (even in the 20th for that matter), reproduction does not require intercourse. However, I maintain that with 225 Bringloidi with distinct genetic patterns, they could easily exclude the clones, who (1) had only five patterns to add, (2) were so genetically mangled that they were "walking dead", and (3) had no interest in "beast with two backs" anyway.

Regarding Deanna and Soren, having been subjected to mental violation herself, I serious doubt that she would assist in a similar violation of another sentient being. And forcible conversion therapy, whether it works or not, is a violation. Troi, as a therapist, would understand that.

1. The clones are not that mangled, or the idea would not be floated. Meanwhile if the clones are not allowed to add to the gene pool, why are they going to continue servicing a 22nd century level society, educating the next generation and the Bringloidi, if they are trash to be left on the weigh-side? Or are the clones going to be forced to raise their children in the 18th century, or are they going to slowly age out as the world and generation after generation embraces 18th century values, while they stubbornly die out?

2. Soren has not been violated in a way that she would notice. If she had not been fixed, it's likely that she would have been lynched and drowned by good proper people with upstanding morals.

 

[Oddish]

The clones are not that mangled, or the idea would not be floated.

Quote from the episode proper:

PICARD: "Doctor, how desperate is the colony's situation?"
PULASKI: "They've got two or three generations, then the fading will be terminal. They're among the walking dead now. They just haven't been buried."

Meanwhile if the clones are not allowed to add to the gene pool, why are they going to continue servicing a 22nd century level society, educating the next generation and the Bringloidi, if they are trash to be left on the weigh-side?

They wanted to use borrowed DNA from other people to make a new generation of clones. In other words, their DNA dies off, but the colony does not. Having the Bringloidi aboard doesn't change the mission overall, just the process by which the new arrivals are produced.

Or are the clones going to be forced to raise their children in the 18th century, or are they going to slowly age out as the world and generation after generation embraces 18th century values, while they stubbornly die off.

I think the presumption is that the Bringloidi will adapt to life in the present (future from our perspective). The clones' chief function would then be as instructors, just as they would have been to the next generation of clones.

Soren has not been violated in a way that she would notice. If she had not been fixed, it's likely that she would have been lynched and drowned by good proper people with upstanding morals.

Did you watch the same episode I did? It's like the end of "1984", where Winston LOVES Big Brother.

The mods on this site can tell you that I am about as "woke" as Sleeping Beauty, but that ending even made me sick.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Quote from the episode proper:

PICARD: "Doctor, how desperate is the colony's situation?"
PULASKI: "They've got two or three generations, then the fading will be terminal. They're among the walking dead now. They just haven't been buried."



They wanted to use borrowed DNA from other people to make a new generation of clones. In other words, their DNA dies off, but the colony does not. Having the Bringloidi aboard doesn't change the mission overall, just the process by which the new arrivals are produced.



I think the presumption is that the Bringloidi will adapt to life in the present (future from our perspective). The clones' chief function would then be as instructors, just as they would have been to the next generation of clones.



Did you watch the same episode I did? It's like the end of "1984", where Winston LOVES Big Brother.

The mods on this site can tell you that I am about as "woke" as Sleeping Beauty, but that ending even made me sick.

The ending was supposed to make you be nice to gay people in real life.

Did you miss the "if"?

Soren has been brain surgeried to be "Normal" (the other N-Word), have no recollection of the process and be glad it did happen if she did uncover what happened to her, and rat out any perverts she might notice or already know about.

I made a point of wondering if Soren only found herself to be female after suffering from a head injury during the episode, but if she had been taking male lovers for some time, years or decades, then she may have given a list of names to the government from her social interactions with other gendered persons.

 

[Oddish]

I saw the "if" just fine. It seems to serve to justify mandatory conversion therapy for those who do not conform to the societal norm. In Soren's case, said norm was non-binary asexuality. But, the parallels are there.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Bringloidi were 6 toed cousin f@ckers.

The only way they are going to get fresh meat from the Federation, other than sperm samples from Starfleet Medical, is by superficially at least advertising their colony as an 18th century tourist resort, like Fairhaven did.

More colonists will come.

It's just a question of what they are willing to put up with when they get there.

Imagine the sales pitch... Do you want three husbands, or three wives the moment you touch down on your new colony world?

If a billion new colonists turn up within the next 5 years, there's not going to be enough clone brides to share.

 

[Oddish]

I think if a person has a thing for polyamory, they can also visit Denobula. You can marry three women, and as if that wasn't enough, extramarital sex is apparently a recreational activity.

And in any case, if you got a billion new colonists, or a million, or even a thousand... that's enough breeding stock to allow monogamous couples.

 

[flandry84]

Yeah advertise the colony as the ultimate “hit it and quit it” destination.
The kind of guys that might show up for that...I’m not too sure you would be too enthused to get their genetic contribution ,but sure.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah advertise the colony as the ultimate “hit it and quit it” destination.
The kind of guys that might show up for that...I’m not too sure you would be too enthused to get their genetic contribution ,but sure.

Risa is hit it and quit it.

This place is 3 balls and three chains as soon as you get off the boat and maybe if you do the washing up for a week you'll get a hand job.

Commitment sex: Meh.

 

[Batai]

I think Deanna's reaction to Riker's "confusion" after Ro leaves the table at the end of "Conundrum" sums up her true feelings about all of Will's extra-Deanna activities perfectly.

 

[ReddishAlert]

I just want to say the best part of this episode to my mind is how Worf takes it in stride to back up Riker. Always thought it was clever to have the most traditional and rigid character be open minded when it came to something his friend cared about. But I always dig the Riker/Worf friendship moments.

Doesn’t have to do with the topic so sorry lol

I don’t think Deanna told on Soren because she a good person. I do think she wrote a letter overstating Roe’s psychological stability to get her into the advanced officer training and away from Will ;-)

 

[Guy Gardener]

Watching s05E04 Silicon Avatar.

Will is having sleep over's with a pert colonist from Melons IV, named Carmen, when a passing space god kills her from orbit and eats nearly all life on the planet.

(Oh! The Doctor's Vidiian girlfriend from Voyager.)

Did Deanna signal the Silicon Entity to dismiss this busybody homewrecker from life because Colonist Carmen had the audacity to feed Deana's man chicken curry?

After all, what is more sensuous than curry?

Now I'm on to s05e24 The Next Phase.

Deanna destroyed a Romulan Phase Cloak experiment to sanction To, because, just look at her.

Sure she had to sacrifice Geordie, but his dolly bird holodeck programs are far creepier than Reg Barclays.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

Yeah no guys, Riker and Deanna are absolutely not a couple on the series, she even mentions it explicitly as a past thing during her "full disclosure" talk with Picard in the pilot. Deanna openly dates other men and was even engaged for an episode and Riker was getting as much alien space action as Kirk.

At first I thought this was Soran from Generations you guys were talking about, and I was seriously confused. ROFL

Malcolm McDowell in a gay love triangle with Riker would have been a much better movie than Generations.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah no guys, Riker and Deanna are absolutely not a couple on the series, she even mentions it explicitly as a past thing during her "full disclosure" talk with Picard in the pilot. Deanna openly dates other men and was even engaged for an episode and Riker was getting as much alien space action as Kirk.



Malcolm McDowell in a gay love triangle with Riker would have been a much better movie than Generations.

Boy Riker is an idiot.

Dee wants a grown up.

10 years or so and he'll be perfect.

They may not be together during TNG, but she has dibs.

 

[Oddish]

Having a secret desire to get in Riker's pants is one thing. Knowing and willing participation in a deplorable, disgusting, horrific act of brainwashing is another.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Having a secret desire to get in Riker's pants is one thing. Knowing and willing participation in a deplorable, disgusting, horrific act of brainwashing is another.

Soren was lobotomized.
Carmen was atomized.
Ro was thrown into a high dimension, to starve to death... Actually there was food in the Next Phase, and his name was Geordie.

There's probably more.

Look at how Lon Suder was abused.

Betazoids do not think of non telepathic lifeforms as real people.