Did anyone get a Windows 10 invite?

[Marc]

There are no touch screen mail programmes. If you're using the touch interface, you need something touch friendly. There are almost no mail apps in the store. 'Proper' mail programmes such as thunderbird are almost unusable by touch.

Added to which, the average user - someone like my sister for example - will want to use the built in app.

Oh, that's right, you're using a tablet! Bob's RT comment got right past me. Yeah, Windows 10 isn't upgrading RT devices until September. They're focusing on desktop versions right now, since that's what is releasing on the 29th.

RT devices are getting a partial update with some of the Win10 features(they are deemed incompatiable with Windows 10 by Microsoft) that's going tbe called Update 3.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

There are no touch screen mail programmes. If you're using the touch interface, you need something touch friendly. There are almost no mail apps in the store. 'Proper' mail programmes such as thunderbird are almost unusable by touch.

Added to which, the average user - someone like my sister for example - will want to use the built in app.

Oh, that's right, you're using a tablet! Bob's RT comment got right past me. Yeah, Windows 10 isn't upgrading RT devices until September. They're focusing on desktop versions right now, since that's what is releasing on the 29th.

It's not RT, it's a 2 in 1, so it's Windows 8.1 home by default, it's on Windows 10 core right now. My dad has an RT tablet that I'll probably have to upgrade for him next time we're up there or they come down here.

 

[Amaris]

There are no touch screen mail programmes. If you're using the touch interface, you need something touch friendly. There are almost no mail apps in the store. 'Proper' mail programmes such as thunderbird are almost unusable by touch.

Added to which, the average user - someone like my sister for example - will want to use the built in app.

Oh, that's right, you're using a tablet! Bob's RT comment got right past me. Yeah, Windows 10 isn't upgrading RT devices until September. They're focusing on desktop versions right now, since that's what is releasing on the 29th.

RT devices are getting a partial update with some of the Win10 features(they are deemed incompatiable with Windows 10 by Microsoft) that's going tbe called Update 3.

This is why I avoided RT when they came out. Also, I have no money.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Why would anyone use the inbuilt mail app and not a proper email program?

because for most people that's all they need - a simply program that will tie into the gmail/hotmail/ISP mail/whatever.

Windows has had a built in mail client since Windows 98 but back then and for several versions it was called Outlook Express and had security holes you can fly the death star through.

It was re-vamped to Windows Mail when Vista came out and has gone from there.

Ah that explains why there is no default mail client in Windows 7..


I'm still using Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 which does everything I want..

I hope the Windows mail client has filters such..

 

[RevdKathy]

Not all tablets are RT. This is full windows. As are the Surface tablets, and a whole load of others. This is a 2 in 1, but I routinely use it in Tablet form, as that's much easier. Or rather was until I started playing with Windows 10.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-commits-to-10-year-support-lifecycle-for-windows-10/

Microsoft commits to a 10 year support deal of Windows 10

 

[Amaris]

That's good to hear. I'm more interested in how they'll evolve the OS. Microsoft wants 10 to be the last operating system you'll ever need (which is never true), so I'm curious to see how they plan to implement this idea.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

That's good to hear. I'm more interested in how they'll evolve the OS. Microsoft wants 10 to be the last operating system you'll ever need (which is never true), so I'm curious to see how they plan to implement this idea.

I am imagining over time various patches and fixes that will make the OS evolve and change as you use it, and as new features are created and bug fixes.. Wouldn't be hard to do..

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey is TRIM used at all on mechanical hard drives?

I just looked at my drives in CrystalDiskInfo and it says they both have TRIM but they are not SSD drives

 

[sojourner]

Most modern harddrives have some solid state storage to improve performance. It's used to keep the most accessed data cached for quicker fetching.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey my GWX folder has gotten bigger......

is it downloading bits of Windows already?

Also I hope you can still use other programs for the internet and mail besides the built in apps. If they cut that I'll not be too thrilled.

 

[Amaris]

Yes, it is downloading bits of Windows 10, so that the premiere date will be free of server crashes and long queues.

 

[RevdKathy]

For mail I am currently using something called 'Touchmail'. That's not vastly better than the built in app, but I'm being stubborn abut the lack of features in the windows mail.

I'm currently finding I can't 'snap' apps other than the windows ones - that's run then on a split screen on touch mode. If you're using the desktop/keyboard mode you won't notice that. And I suspect it's a random bug I picked up from updating as no-one else is reporting it.

For browser I'm switching between Edge and the Firefox windows 10 beta. So yes, you can run other apps, including ones not from the store.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Yeah even in 8.1 the native mail client didn't have things like thread view and filters so you could filter messages. That's why I love Thunderbird. I can make message threads and folders for different kinds of emails and organize them ....

With mail filters mails land in different folders depending on the rules I created.

 

[RevdKathy]

Pretty sure you can still use Thunderbird. I don't as it's not very touch friendly and I don't want to have to reach for a keyboard to check my email.

 

[StarMan]

Background download completed this morning. Set-up folder has downloaded to C:\$Windows.~BT, however while there is a setup executable, it say the required boot.wim is missing. Ah well, thought I may as well give it a shot. I'll leave well enough alone. Guess I'm waiting till 4pm here in New Zealand (Midnight ET) for things to spur into action.

 

[Amaris]

I'm waiting on an update. Something failed to update this morning, though there's no indication of what it was in my update history. It's happened twice in the past two days.

 

[Marc]

I'm waiting on an update. Something failed to update this morning, though there's no indication of what it was in my update history. It's happened twice in the past two days.

Microsoft has released some small security related patches over the past cople of days.

My recent patch numbers were

KB3074678
KB3074861
KB3074860
KB3074686
KB3074679
From Sunday

and KB3074683 from today.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Nothing has started here I'm hoping it will pop in the next day or two..

 

[Marc]

Nothing has started here I'm hoping it will pop in the next day or two..

There have been a number of media articles floating around that there's no guarentee that people will get their Windows 10 upgrades from the get go.

From what've I read those on the windows insider program will be getting first dibs though many of them are probably pretty much at the final release after Microsoft's most recent build was released.