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Did any actors ever do a less than "stellar" job?

I never thought Terry Farrel was bad, I thought she played sarcastic well and Jadzia's friendships with Kira, Quark, Sisko etc felt real to me. I admit there are better performances on DS9, Nana Visitor did particularly well imo. Major Kira is one of the most interesting characters on DS9 for me so that probably helps. It was also fun to see Nana Visitor as Intendant Kira (her attitude is so hot, I'd happily be one of her terran slaves).

For me Avery Brooks was the weak link, he speaks strangely and often over acts. I found this most noticeable in "The Maquis" because the actor playing his old friend who'd joined the Maquis also had an odd voice which made Sisko sound even worse. Brooks seems to put emphasis on random words in a sentence as though he is reading the words without thinking about what they actually mean. Yet I think he's done a good job directing episodes, I know he directed "Rejoined" which is one of my favourite Dax episodes (and I thought Farrel did well).
 
^^ Brooks' acting changed when he shaved his head. With hair, he was a thoughtful and quiet man. Bald, he got a lot more loud and impulsive.
 
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He was the Sisko. With a war on his plate, he didn't have time to be diplomatic all the time. Sometimes he got pissed off and didn't hide it.
 
I never thought Terry Farrel was bad, I thought she played sarcastic well and Jadzia's friendships with Kira, Quark, Sisko etc felt real to me. I admit there are better performances on DS9, Nana Visitor did particularly well imo. Major Kira is one of the most interesting characters on DS9 for me so that probably helps. It was also fun to see Nana Visitor as Intendant Kira (her attitude is so hot, I'd happily be one of her terran slaves).
I also didn't see anything wrong with Farrell's portrayal of Jadzia, at least since the writers figured out what to do with her (they had problems throughout season 1 and half of season 2). But I can see that she's a limited actress compared to some of her colleagues. Bear in mind that, on a TV show, actors' talent and strengths play a big part in the development of a character and the type of stories the writers decide to write for them. I think that one of the producers or directors from DS9 once said something like, There is a good reason why Odo and Kira had so many dramatic, angst-filled storylines, while Jadzia had funny quips and Klingon missions and Bashir had holodeck and spy business... Which was a nice way of saying that Auberjonois and Visitor were stronger actors who could do angst exceptionally well and carry those highly dramatic episodes. Odo was first meant to be a Clint Eastwood type of character, but after Auberjonois was cast, the character was developed as a lot more emotional and soul-searching, because that's what the actor is so good at conveying. Watching early DS9, it seems that Kira was envisioned as a classic 'tough girl', but since Visitor is so good at conveying vulnerability without sacrificing the character's strength, they kept giving her a lot of gut-wrenching material. I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons for the 'torture O'Brien' episodes, not only is his character the likable everyman, but Meaney is a very good at playing drama and torment. Also keep in mind that the character of Dukat, meant to be a rather straightforward bad guy, became a lot more developed and complex than anyone had planned. With Jadzia however, I think that they realized that Farrell was best at being funny and playing a witty commentator on the events, but that she wasn't really a great dramatic actress, and this shaped the character and her storylines.
 
I also didn't see anything wrong with Farrell's portrayal of Jadzia, at least since the writers figured out what to do with her (they had problems throughout season 1 and half of season 2). But I can see that she's a limited actress compared to some of her colleagues. Bear in mind that, on a TV show, actors' talent and strengths play a big part in the development of a character and the type of stories the writers decide to write for them. I think that one of the producers or directors from DS9 once said something like, There is a good reason why Odo and Kira had so many dramatic, angst-filled storylines, while Jadzia had funny quips and Klingon missions and Bashir had holodeck and spy business... Which was a nice way of saying that Auberjonois and Visitor were stronger actors who could do angst exceptionally well and carry those highly dramatic episodes. Odo was first meant to be a Clint Eastwood type of character, but after Auberjonois was cast, the character was developed as a lot more emotional and soul-searching, because that's what the actor is so good at conveying. Watching early DS9, it seems that Kira was envisioned as a classic 'tough girl', but since Visitor is so good at conveying vulnerability without sacrificing the character's strength, they kept giving her a lot of gut-wrenching material. I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons for the 'torture O'Brien' episodes, not only is his character the likable everyman, but Meaney is a very good at playing drama and torment. Also keep in mind that the character of Dukat, meant to be a rather straightforward bad guy, became a lot more developed and complex than anyone had planned. With Jadzia however, I think that they realized that Farrell was best at being funny and playing a witty commentator on the events, but that she wasn't really a great dramatic actress, and this shaped the character and her storylines.
That's interesting. I read through the Ron Moore AOL chats recently, for it was insightful to read his and fans' views as the series unfolded. It was clear they didn't plan a lot of things in advance (such as the Dukat arc), so it makes sense that upon seeing Marc Aliamo's abilities, they gave a much bigger and more complex role than they'd initially anticipated.

And if the reverse is true, then maybe that is why, say Troi never developed too much in TNG but Worf/Dorn did. Michael Piller, who I understand from Moore's comments came in to TNG in season three with the notion of developing characters, and perhaps he, eg, saw the chance for a Michael Dorn character to develop more readily than a Marina Sirtis character. And likewise for Jadzia/Farrel vs Kira/Visitor, except for even bigger developments given Behr & Friends' explicit priority of writing character-based stories.

Now that I think about it, characters such as Odo and Kira *did* evolve far more and acted in more complex scenarios than, say Jadzia. And that might be a reason for some fans' complaints of the comparatively "stiff" or lower-dimensional actions of Jadzia: it could be the writers just realized it was harder to get her to portray a broad spectrum of emotions.

As for the "O'Brien suffering" theme that you attribute both to the character as well as Meaney's talents, what about Harry Kim/Garret Wang? He was almost cut from the show, and quite a few VOY fans think he is a poor actor (btw, I like Harry and Wang's portrayal). Yet he was VOY's version of O'Brien in the sense that he was the guy who had the mandatory "suffering" episodes. If he's not that good, then why'd the VOY writers choose *him* for the sufferring shows? I suppose one response could be that he wasn't very good at conveying sufferring, and the VOY writers were not as discerning as those of DS9 (I know many will say that regardless!). *OR* maybe people would he was singularly good at doing suffering but not much else.

I certainly didn't see him as a poor actor, but some of his stories I thought were poor (eg, "The Thaw" or "The Disease"), and it's true that it does seem a little odd that (a) after several years in the dangerous Delta Quadrant, he still seemed fairly "green" and (b) that there is some sort of restrictions on the number of lieutenants who can recurve filed commissions so Janeway kept him a permanent ensign (despite him being a senior bridge officer in charge of Ops and the number of casualties among lieutenants — you'd think there be room for one more lieutenant!).

So: Do you think he was kept "green" and an ensign *because* of Wang's acting abilities were best suited to playing only that kind of raw, eager, rather naïve character instead of maturing and becoming a little more jaded? (Though he seemed to pull off jaded pretty well in "Timeless", IMO.)

thanks for the feedback! I hope to hear more answers/suggestions!
 
^^ Brooks' acting changed when he shaved his head. With hair, he was a thoughtful and quiet man. Bald, he got a lot more loud and impulsive.
And I loved Brooks' highly idiosyncratic, overly dramatic, volatile Sisko. He reminded me of Kirk/Shatner in the sense that both played their roles a little, say, over-the-top. Brooks' unusual flair, pronunciation, and ability to go from quiet and sensitive (and even tender) to desperate ansgt and near rage was, I thought, quite good. I admit it was unorthodox and appeared at times as though Brooks was deliberately trying to put his own "stamp" on Sisko irrespective of the writers/directors.

Actually, I though all the captains (well, except Archer/Bakula) were extremely good, distinct, and helped define their respective shows. I think the casting, however many poor choices it made, did near-perfect jobs in getting Shatner, Stewart, Brooks, and Mulgrew. I appreciated their uniqueness.

Do very many people dispute the choices for these four roles, regardless of their views of the shows themselves? I don't recall hearing much criticism of these actors, though many are fans of all the shows (or the captains' actions — consider the many "worst decision" threads!)

thanks again for your help and insight. I appreciate. I hope to hear more.
 
OK, in Nemesis Marina demonstrated perfectly her inability to emote when -- upon learning that Data was "dead" -- crinkled up her face as if she was crying, but couldn't sell it.
 
For some reason 80% of the female gueststars on TOS came across to me as wooden, although we can probably blame that on the period... Diana Muldaur is one of the exceptions I can think of
 
I was watching The Loss last night and during the first chat Counselor Troi had with Ensign Janet (don't know her last name), she looked totally bored. I don't know if the character was bored, Sirtis didn't feel good, or the black contacts made her eyes look dull or what, but Troi definitely didn't look interested.
 
Depends on which moment you mean, but there was that part, when Troy wasn't "interested" - when she lost her empathic ability and believed she was useless as a counselor - in addition she was irritable, angry, frustrated, but not compassionate any more.
 
Robert Beltran isn't on my list of best actors ever, that's for sure.

Apart from that one little quibble, there hasn't been an actor or actress with the franchise that has really missed the mark for me, not when it comes to the title characters. I thought Jolene Blalock was very good, I thought Garrett Wang was passable, I thought Terry Farrell was solid, I thought Alexander Siddig got much better as things went on, I thought Marina Sirtis did just fine... the list goes on. But everyone had a bad day or three, I'll certainly give the topic that much.

Seriously, though, Robert Beltran just doesn't do it for me. He's probably a cool enough guy, but I don't dig his acting style.
 
^^ Brooks' acting changed when he shaved his head. With hair, he was a thoughtful and quiet man. Bald, he got a lot more loud and impulsive.

Just like some real life men I've known. ;)
I can't comment on real-life men like that (I assume you're a woman), but for a very long time I could not believe the "new look" Sisko was the same actor. I would look at pictures of the two, cover their heads, and see completely different faces.

But now I think I know the reason: it appears that at the same time he got his new look, he put on a lot of weight that off-season (not just fat; but muscle, too). It made his face look much fuller (which it was). He *did* seem to be a tad on the skinny side early on. I think he just ended up filling out (not in a bad way).
 
Depends on which moment you mean, but there was that part, when Troy wasn't "interested" - when she lost her empathic ability and believed she was useless as a counselor - in addition she was irritable, angry, frustrated, but not compassionate any more.
I agree. Wasn't Troi supposed to be uninterested in her role as a non-empathetc counselor? She was pretty depressed at the time but at first didn't admit it (until she snapped).
 
Robert Beltran isn't on my list of best actors ever, that's for sure.

Apart from that one little quibble, there hasn't been an actor or actress with the franchise that has really missed the mark for me, not when it comes to the title characters. I thought Jolene Blalock was very good, I thought Garrett Wang was passable, I thought Terry Farrell was solid, I thought Alexander Siddig got much better as things went on, I thought Marina Sirtis did just fine... the list goes on. But everyone had a bad day or three, I'll certainly give the topic that much.

Seriously, though, Robert Beltran just doesn't do it for me. He's probably a cool enough guy, but I don't dig his acting style.
I appreciate your comments and can understand that you just didn't care that much for Chakotay's character (neither did Beltran, apparently).

But when you cite Blalock as an example of a good actress, I'd like to know why? To me she seemed very un-Vulcan like, irritated and grouchy.

OTOH, if the plan all along was to have pre-TOS Vulcans be different (and possibly have T'Pol to turn out being half Romulan), then she played her character quite adroitly.

OR did they have Vulcans and her turn out that way *because* of how Blalock acted?

Btw, I'm glad to know you liked most all the actors/characters.
 
^^ Brooks' acting changed when he shaved his head. With hair, he was a thoughtful and quiet man. Bald, he got a lot more loud and impulsive.
And I loved Brooks' highly idiosyncratic, overly dramatic, volatile Sisko. He reminded me of Kirk/Shatner in the sense that both played their roles a little, say, over-the-top. Brooks' unusual flair, pronunciation, and ability to go from quiet and sensitive (and even tender) to desperate ansgt and near rage was, I thought, quite good. I admit it was unorthodox and appeared at times as though Brooks was deliberately trying to put his own "stamp" on Sisko irrespective of the writers/directors

The thing is that is was just a complete character shift over a summer between seasons.

Blalock was missing that Vulcan "magic" that both Leonard Nimoy and Tim Russ had.

Another example of this is during her guest appearances on SG-1 opposite Christopher Judge. He was able to take a rigid character, especially in earlier seasons, and make it interesting and lovable, where Blalock's Jaffa warrior came off like T'Pol with no ears and a lot more screaming, but just as poor acting.
 
Bakula stands out for me although I fault whoever cast him rather than the actor himself. Just because an actor can nail one type of character doesn't mean he can nail any character he is given. The professionals in charge of casting blew it big time here. Scott Bakula is totally unbelievable as any kind of high-level commander.

I would chime in with the Garrett Wang detractors if it were not for 'Timeless'. He showed some real acting ability in that episode. This may be another case of mis-casting.

Marina Sirtis was definitely awkward on occasions but it seemed to me that that was mostly because the writers didn't know what to do with the character.

Robert Beltran could be wooden but he had plenty of good moments too IMO. His professionalism slipped in the later seasons when he allowed his disenchantment with the turn of events to effect his attitude.

The character of Nurse Christine Chapel was horrid. Majel couldn't do anything with it but I doubt any actress could have.

I never had any problem with Avery Brooks (Sisko), Terry Farell (Jadzia) or Jolene Blalock (T'Pol). Jolene let her attitude slip but I don't blame her in the least. The writing was rarely good in the first two seasons of Enterprise but they utterly assassinated her character in season 3 - essentially turning her into a crack whore. She did what she could with the horrible material she was given. I think she would have made a fine Vulcan if she had had decent writers behind her.
 
I never had any problem with Avery Brooks (Sisko), Terry Farell (Jadzia) or Jolene Blalock (T'Pol). Jolene let her attitude slip but I don't blame her in the least. The writing was rarely good in the first two seasons of Enterprise but they utterly assassinated her character in season 3 - essentially turning her into a crack whore. She did what she could with the horrible material she was given. I think she would have made a fine Vulcan if she had had decent writers behind her.
I find it odd that some fans are so hostile to a drug addiction storyline for one of the main 'heroes' of the show and consider it 'character assassination'.

I guess the idea of addicts in Trek as other than villains or idiots is too shocking, Out Heroes are only supposed to be delivering such subtle "Say no to drugs" speeches....
 
I never had any problem with Avery Brooks (Sisko), Terry Farell (Jadzia) or Jolene Blalock (T'Pol). Jolene let her attitude slip but I don't blame her in the least. The writing was rarely good in the first two seasons of Enterprise but they utterly assassinated her character in season 3 - essentially turning her into a crack whore. She did what she could with the horrible material she was given. I think she would have made a fine Vulcan if she had had decent writers behind her.

I find it odd that some fans are so hostile to a drug addiction storyline for one of the main 'heroes' of the show and consider it 'character assassination'.

I guess the idea of addicts in Trek as other than villains or idiots is too shocking, Out Heroes are only supposed to be delivering such subtle "Say no to drugs" speeches....

While our heroes are not perfect, the thought of someone like T'Pol falling to drug addiction is unfathomable. I could see it for someone like Tasha Yar, with her young age and horrific early experiences. I could have seen it for Kira Nerys for the same reasons. But T'Pol? She was a mature (at least 60), stable, very intelligent, enlightened being. That character falling into drug addiction and into a sexual infatuation with a country bumpkin of a species she could barely tolerate being around without a nasal inhibitor is total character assassination. Character evolution (for good or bad) is a good thing because it's realistic but the direction the writers took with T'Pol was just nuts. Blalock's disgust was totally understandable IMO.
 
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