Diabetes & Chronic Issues Support Group

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by TauCygna, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. Nakita Akita

    Nakita Akita Captain Captain

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    Here is my theory on obesity and overweight.
    In the USA starting in about 1980 the USA (5%) of the world population had more air conditioners than the rest of the entire earth population.

    The numbers of course have increased in the USA as well as other places.
    When it's hot and there is no relief, you don't want to eat. It's pretty much a fact.

    But sitting in an air conditioned, nice cool room, you can eat all you want.
    Give it some thought. It's my theory.
     
  2. TauCygna

    TauCygna Commander Red Shirt

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    One of the most plausible reasons may simply be biological. I read a theory both by sociologists and biologists, who think that actually the only reason for which there are more overweighted people than 60 years ago is food availability. As simple as that.
    We evolved mostly as opportunistic omnivorous scavengers (complex hunting techniques are quite new in evolutionary age), who often had to face food deprivation and starvation. Those who could stock up fat had better chances to stay alive, which is a very old survival mechanism present in most animal species.
    With modern agriculture and world market, food became more and more available, and available all the time, all year round, providing a constant input of nutrients. Except we haven't evolved for constant inputs of nutrients, we evolved to be able to stay many days in a row without eating, and to burn as much energy as possible to obtain food (by hunting, scavenging, tracking preys, climbing to trees for fruits...). Which is the exact opposite of our modern lifestyle.
    As most jobs became mechanized and less and less physical work became mandatory, we tend to burn very little energy when compared to the constant amount of food we're provided. But our bodies don't know that. They just do what they evolved to do : stock up fat "just in case". Even if there is basically no "just in case" in northern industrialized societies.
     
  3. rhubarbodendron

    rhubarbodendron Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    smooth theory, Nakita Akita :) When it's hot one also doesn't like to indulge into fat-burning activities (although the alleged baby boom after the big blackout in NY in 65 would prove the opposite ;) )

    I think te reason for teh growing obesity rate is a combination of many factors: food availability, technical advantage, more aggressive food advertizing, less social pressure (fat people are no longer being stared at) and also this fatal new trend to making everything bigger (huge burgers, huge pizzas, huge portions in restaurants, even ice cream scoops are twice the size in the US than in Germany) and the all-you-can-eat (until you explode) offers and eating competitions (which, without meaning to offend anyone, I frankly find disgusting). They all send out completely wrong signals. Gorging like a pig that's being fattened for the butcher has become not only tolerated but even hip.
    Then there are these ready made meals that you just have to reheat: far too much sugar, salt, fat and chemicals. People must learn again to cook real food. It's so much healthier, tastier and far less fattening.

    A combination of two other factors that so far we overlooked in our discussion is genetics and falling death rates. While people with metabolism flaws used to die at an early age, for the last decades medicine has become so good that they survive, propagate and pass on their genetic flaws so that the respective medical conditions (like for example obesity based on malfunctions of the liver) multiply.
    Type 1 diabetes as a mostly hereditary disease is a good example: until about 100 years ago it'd have been a death sentence, nowadays it's a condition more common than Influenza. According to the WHO there were 110 millions type1 diabetics in 1993, atm there are approximately 400 millions.
     
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  4. Dimesdan

    Dimesdan Living the Irish dream. Premium Member

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    You seem to be conflating type 1 with all diabetes, type 1 makes up around 10% of the total of people with diabetes and the figures you're working from (I assume this from the WHO) is only giving figures for the total world wide number of individuals with diabetes.

    This from the WHO is very informative on the causes of all types of diabetes and the complications that will arise with bad glucose management: GLOBAL REPORT ON DIABETES
     
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  5. Nakita Akita

    Nakita Akita Captain Captain

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    Type 1 diabetics turn up in childhood for the most part. Also I've only know a few but they seem to stay in good shape and good weight categories.
    Some people mix up the two.
     
  6. Nakita Akita

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    These are great points too.
    I think it all contributes.
    It would be a non-issue other than that it seems to cause peripheral illnesses sometimes.
    That part makes me sad. I have a lot of overweight friends and sometimes I worry about that. So far none of them have any issues.
    Maybe I feel this way because my husband was obese and he had a heart attack and died. Possibly if he hadn't been so over weight,
    1. He wouldn't have had the heart blockage
    2. When he went to the emergency room at the hospital, they wouldn't have just dismissed him as being "a fat Mexican".
     
  7. Dimesdan

    Dimesdan Living the Irish dream. Premium Member

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    I was diagnosed a month after my 15th birthday and will be marking 20 years since that this year. I also know of four people diagnosed with type one in adulthood, including Theresa May who was in her 50s.

    Yes, that does seem to be the case.

    Oh I am fully aware of that, hence my distaste of diabetes related jokes given I had zero control over being diagnosed with it.
     
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  8. Nakita Akita

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    Well, I'm not sure where you live but I don't think I've ever heard anyone make jokes about it.
    I knew a guy when I was in the army, he ate like a freaky amount of sugar all the time, he told me it was because his dad and two older brothers had diabetes, so he was eating as much sugar as he could before he got it too and then he wouldn't be able to eat sugar any longer.

    I thought at the time there was a flaw in his logic, but you can't tell anyone stuff.
    So it was like his joke. I'm sure his family members having diabetes was true though.
     
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  9. Kor

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    Here's an interesting economic point of view on the question, from Harvard:
    https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/2640583/cutler_obese.pdf

    From the article:
    The authors go on to discuss their theory on why this has happened.

    Here's another insightful article from Harvard, less heavy on data: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/obesity-in-america-whats-driving-the-epidemic

    Kor
     
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  10. Dimesdan

    Dimesdan Living the Irish dream. Premium Member

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    My location is in my location field. As for jokes about diabetes, that seems to be a staple aspect of large sections of American humour.
     
  11. rhubarbodendron

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    Interesting article! I was rather surprised to find Iceland that far up in the obesity list but it makes sense: in that climate they'll propably eat mostly ready made products instead of cooking with fresh ingredients.
    Hmm, when it comes to taking less time for cooking and eating too many snacks I'm guilty, too (my country ranks #3 on the obesity list - not all my doing, but still I add to the statistics)
     
  12. Nakita Akita

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    Not to brag or anything, but the USA is number one!:whistle:
    I'm not bragging. USA USA. USA!
    :hugegrin:
     
  13. Doom Shepherd

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    I make jokes about diabetes.
    But then, I have it (Type 2, genetic variant), a sweet tooth, and use humor as a coping mechanism, so jokes were kinda inevitable.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go drink a McDonalds' sweet tea because I've finished all my work for today and being out of my mind in a sugar haze will help pass the time until we close.
     
  14. rhubarbodendron

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    yes, same here. I find that a good portion of gallows humour makes life far more bearable :)
    It runs in the family: my aunt died of skin cacer. One evening in Hospital she was told she'd have a surgery first thing the next morning. The day nurse had already left and as auntie was a little forgetful and didn't trust herself to tell the nurse next morning that she wasn't allowed to have breakfast, she decided to write it down and put the note in a place where she was sure the nurse would see it. Unfortunately, in the excitement both forgot to remove the note the next morning.
    When my aunt got wheeled into the theatre, the surgeon and his team were rather amused to find a note tied to her toe saying "please don't feed the inmate"
     
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