Well they thought what they were doing was much better and with their budget they certainly had much more money to spend. They were all executives. Braga never saw the show. I don't think that guy is affected by anything. A bolt of electricity wouldn't upset him in the least. He seems detached uninterested or just unexcited by anything.The other people tried to downplay Tos and belittle it when they could to bolster their positions
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What's wrong with being an executive, anyway?
There's nothing wrong with being an exec. And the characterizations of the people making the show are not accurate. I interned at TNG the year Mr. Piller took over and pitched every series after that (except DS9).
Those people were busting their asses to put out a good show, every time. It's just they didn't understand that the industry was changing around them and weren't capable of modifying their approach suitably to keep up.
ENTERPRISE was promoted as a new sort of Trek for the new audience but it floundered because, by creating a prequel, you lock yourself into known conclusions meaning you have to write REALLY well to keep people interested. It also makes the show about itself, rather than about the audience which, to me, is like mixing the poison yourself before drinking. But it wasn't because they weren't TRYING. These are nice, hardworking folks. Sometimes the bear gets you, that's all.
Those people were busting their asses to put out a good show, every time. It's just they didn't understand that the industry was changing around them and weren't capable of modifying their approach suitably to keep up.
ENTERPRISE was promoted as a new sort of Trek for the new audience but it floundered because, by creating a prequel, you lock yourself into known conclusions meaning you have to write REALLY well to keep people interested. It also makes the show about itself, rather than about the audience which, to me, is like mixing the poison yourself before drinking. But it wasn't because they weren't TRYING. These are nice, hardworking folks. Sometimes the bear gets you, that's all.
^ Hey, I just heard Riker say that on "Data's Day" tonight.
I realize this entirely unrelated to the subject at hand, be it Trek, Trek pitches or prequels, but I think you just pinpointed what I don't like about the newest seasons of Doctor Who.
...carry on.
Out of curiosity, was there any reason why you didn't pitch for DS9?
Not really. It wasn't my favorite back then. I became a fan after I was asked to write a story set in the DS9 timeline. I watched the whole show from first to last and understood why so many people dug it. Now I'm one of them. It's all about Jadzia (and Ezri).
^ I see. Thanks for the prompt reply. Glad you finally realised what the fuss was about!
Where are you getting your information from? Braga started off as a writer. He didn't become an "executive" until Voyager. ( I assume by "executive" you mean executive producer.)
IIRC, it was Roddenberry who instructed the writers not to watch TOS so they could have a fresh perspective. Somehow that has blown up to people thinking the writers of TNG hated TOS.
^ Shhhh, you're letting facts get in the way of mythos and rumour.
Playing devil's advocate, that anecdote places Roddenberry as being the producer who set the tone of being dismissive toward TOS. 
Uh, I think GR just said to Braga, upon learning that he didn't see any of the episodes, that it is better that he didn't anyway, as it would give him a fresh perspective and approach to it, not that there was anything to be done about it at that point. There's no reason that he would have wanted any of them not to have seen Trek.
Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but by the time Braga started writing for TNG, wasn't Roddenberry pretty much a non-entity by that time? I'd gotten the impression that right up until he died, any of Gene's "suggestions" were simply ignored by the production staff.
Although I will agree that Braga should have watched TOS before creating ENT (I distinctly remember him saying that he did not do this), the fact is that what we got in ENT was far more the result of UPN, not B&B.
Although I will agree that Braga should have watched TOS before creating ENT (I distinctly remember him saying that he did not do this), the fact is that what we got in ENT was far more the result of UPN, not B&B.
Aren't those two statements contradictory?
IIRC, Braga said he did watch TOS prior to creating Enterprise. Perhaps as early as the last few seasons of TNG. His first TNG credit was "Reunion" in 1990. How active was Gene that year? ( he died a year later)
I find it hard to believe and odd but he said he hadn't seen them when he started working on TTNG but I don't think GR told anyone not to see them, only that it might be better that he had not seen them up until that point which I'm sure he began to right away anyway as soon as he got the job, of course.
The condescending attitude of the producers can be seen in the off hand comments and remarks they made about how goofy thay thought TOS was compared to theirs. With all their money, I still like the special effects of TOS much, much better.I found the special effects on TNG to be cheap looking and embarrassing. They seemed to equate Tos with Roddenberry himself - and old man who doesn't know what he's doing. The young whipper snappers cut and picked their teeth with his bones as it were. Rick Berman was of course protected by his slick brass suit with his finger firmly pointed at Roddenberry as some kind of a false god.
As to how sick GR was? He was dying. So very.
The condescending attitude of the producers can be seen in the off hand comments and remarks they made about how goofy thay thought TOS was compared to theirs. With all their money, I still like the special effects of TOS much, much better.I found the special effects on TNG to be cheap looking and embarrassing. They seemed to equate Tos with Roddenberry himself - and old man who doesn't know what he's doing. The young whipper snappers cut and picked their teeth with his bones as it were. Rick Berman was of course protected by his slick brass suit with his finger firmly pointed at Roddenberry as some kind of a false god.
As to how sick GR was? He was dying. So very.
Ron Moore, who was the first person I recall relating the story, would disagree. Roddenberry was quite keen on TNG standing on it own two feet and wanted very few if any mentions of TOS at and was reluctant to include Worf at first. He saw TNG as Star Trek done his way (aka the right way). If anyone was "bashing" TOS it was GR.
Braga started with a TNG as an intern as part of program through the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences. He became a staff writer in 1991 ( the year Roddenberry died)
You've made some interesting accusations. Can you back them up?
Really and you base this on what? Berman kept a bust of Roddenberry his office to remind him of Roddenberry and GRs vision. Berman was Roddenberry's pick to take over.
BRAGA. KREE!
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