Re: Destiny trilogy - pretty heavy spoilers If you generalize that statement, you've just dismissed a fuckload of literature, Dayton3. For instance, I could revise that to say "if there is anything in The Lord of the Rings that includes hundreds of Gondorian soldiers being annihilated by Mordor's armies, and then our heroes saving the day when all else has failed..." and describe, pretty accurately, the ending of The Return of the King; the Gondorian attack on the Black Gates was a futile, suicidal gesture. Mordor couldn't be defeated by force of arms. And our heroes -- Frodo and Sam -- save the day when all else has failed. What you don't realize, Dayton3, is that, in broad outline, that's a common story element. "Things get worse" is a phrase writers tell themselves all the time. The stakes get higher. The losses get more extreme. And then, when everything else has failed, a hero (or a small band of heroes) finds success. You can dismiss Destiny on those grounds, Dayton3. That's your choice. But do so cognizent of the fact that you're also dismissing literature in the whole. Study some literary theory, and do yourself a favor.