Wow, looks like aside from the Nacelles, Cryptic and I were on the same road. Um does this mean I can stop??? LOL they even thickened the neck in a way that my as of yet unseen sketches did.
Design the Next Enterprise
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Wow, looks like aside from the Nacelles, Cryptic and I were on the same road. Um does this mean I can stop??? LOL they even thickened the neck in a way that my as of yet unseen sketches did.
Hmmm... well, having read that, I see that the design they're using deviates quite a bit from Adam's ideas... which isn't necessarily a BAD thing, is it?
By that, I mean that we are now talking about two separate, but related, ship designs. One is the Enterprise... but the other may well exist as well, huh?
The main places I see the two designs differing are in the role (the 1701-F is clearly described as a "big freakin' battleship" role, much less than an explorer), in the shape of the primary hull (Adam's is circular, the Cryptic F is almost arrow-head-like), and the nature of the "neck" (Adams is functional as an FTL system, the Cryptic F appears to be entirely structural in nature). Plus a few other variations, particularly in the placement of the warp nacelles, for example (Adam's are closer together and further forward... the Cryptic one is further back and further apart, it seems). Oh, and there's a gap between the saucer and secondary hull in Adam's version, but not in the Cryptic F.
So... are we talking "Enterprise Class and Belknap Class," maybe?
No offense taken, or hopefully given. I was really more piqued by bobafett's comment, really... inferring that "constructive comments" shouldn't be permitted, and only "praise" is permissable. (sigh)OK first off this is getting out of control. Cary I meant no disrespect to you nor DH. And when I look back I can see why, I sure worded my post pretty crappy. I apologize. Now as for the art as of late, I am literally doing this stuff on the fly in my free time which is not much. So I know things are not perfect. Cary when I say I don't have time I mean it. I work 8-12 a day up to 6 days a week, as an artist, a sculptor so I know a thing or 2 about working in 3D. I also have a degree in industrial design so a mock up is nothing new to me I do them all the time at work. All I am saying is I cannot put all my spare time into it,I know it doesn't take long but I think its kinda like the Starbucks employee who doesn't want to see a cup of coffee when he gets home. The last thing I want is to come home most days and do the same thing for 4-5 hours till bed.I. So again I didn't mean to step on any toes. This is supposed to be fun at this point but I need to stop racing Cryptic to get something done, and it's starting to get to me I guess. Please no hard feelings, DH, Cary I value your opinions and as someone who has been coming to the BBS for a LONG time, I should have known better than to word a post that came out like the way I did it. Sorry guys.
I know this is only a hobby. There's little reason to "race" Cryptic, anyway... the advice DF gave, and which I concurred with, was just to save grief. You made comments about having trouble with various views, after all... and I'm a big fan of doing whatever is necessary to eliminate trouble, ya know?
But it's your "hobby" effort... nobody else's. The guys at Cryptic are doing it for money, and are on a (months-long, granted) deadline. You can keep plinking on this for years... and won't lose one penny for missing a deadline!
I guess it's just surprising to me that you're thinking about this a lot, obviously, and still devoting a lot of time to the design concept, but are missing what, to me, is always one of the first steps you do in any project. I saw your little "claymation" version in a picture a long time ago, I think... all I'm saying is that, to get it RIGHT, you should do the same thing on a larger scale.
But in the end... Cryptic will do their own thing anyway... so I guess it doesn't matter, huh?
Hey as long as you guys don't think I am an arrogant ass. I really wasn't trying to say "Hey I know more than you all" and thats how my post looked. Hey I value the advice, and more often I value how passionate everyone is on the BBS about the "look" of Trek. Now that being said I think Cryptic pretty much got the jist of it. The saucers not round and the nacelle struts are a little thin but it was just a sketch
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Usually a ship class will also get at least one variant, so it'll be interesting to see what other ideas they've come up with for the design as well.
For example here's the other multi-vector assault escorts they came up with for the Prometheus-class:
http://www.stowiki.org/Multi-Vector_Advanced_Escort
And their own Deep Space Science Vessels:
http://www.stowiki.org/Deep_Space_Science_Vessel
For example here's the other multi-vector assault escorts they came up with for the Prometheus-class:
http://www.stowiki.org/Multi-Vector_Advanced_Escort
And their own Deep Space Science Vessels:
http://www.stowiki.org/Deep_Space_Science_Vessel
If you read the Dev diary - I think that they said it was one of their first iterations, and it spawned further discussion so that may not be the final version of the overall 'Cryptic take' on the original design.
Nope, can't quit
CapnLogan was supposed to be reaching out to you to talk things over. I urge you to push some of your design elements in places where theirs are sort of generic or bland (the saucer shape, the nacelles, and whatever else you feel like mentioning)
Still a long way to go! We have yet to see how they have implemented the necks in some meaningful way, how it separates for combat, etc.
By the way.. some people are comparing it to your releases, and preferring your detailing. So, there is that.
I like the Cryptic design so far. I think the nacelles should be a bit bigger, and the glowy open bits don't have quite the same cutout, so doesn't quite capture the original. Also I don't like the slightly tapered saucer. I think it should be more elliptical.
But these are fairly minor criticisms. Overall I think they've done quite a good job of copying the original sketch.
But these are fairly minor criticisms. Overall I think they've done quite a good job of copying the original sketch.
Hey as long as you guys don't think I am an arrogant ass. I really wasn't trying to say "Hey I know more than you all" and thats how my post looked. Hey I value the advice, and more often I value how passionate everyone is on the BBS about the "look" of Trek. Now that being said I think Cryptic pretty much got the jist of it. The saucers not round and the nacelle struts are a little thin but it was just a sketch
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Hey guys, so i have while talking to some fellows at work that i am going to sculpt " my" version of the "F". Now this is going to take a long time one due to fact i am going to do it as i can and two because i have never sculpted a starship before. So i will be boldly going where i have never gone before. i will also finish the ortho in the next few weeks.
i will also finish the ortho in the next few weeks.
I am going to build a wood and metal armature and will use chavant clay, the same stuff thet used to make cars from. It is extremely hard and will hold detail.
Yes from the same people who bought you the bass o matic!
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