Deleted Scenes From Star Wars!
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Yeah, that's one problem right there, and it's pretty big, err Bigg.
I love the Tosche Station stuff with Biggs, Fixer and Camie, but agree that it was a wise move to exclude it from the final cut, as it would have destroyed the pacing of the film.
Here is a similar set out outakes from The Empire Strikes Back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQEiNJnkQAw
This is actually the first time I've ever seen any of the footage of the Wampas attacking Echo Base, although the scenes were in the Marvel adaptation. I can understand why it was cut, as the Wampas look pretty bad.
Here is a similar set out outakes from The Empire Strikes Back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQEiNJnkQAw
This is actually the first time I've ever seen any of the footage of the Wampas attacking Echo Base, although the scenes were in the Marvel adaptation. I can understand why it was cut, as the Wampas look pretty bad.
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IIRC, some stills of the deleted stuff were also in the early trading cards. Could be wrong, though.
Watching those scenes, I have to wonder if they would have dubbed over Camie with an American actress.
I think the Biggs scene at Yavin that was restored for the SE's is clumsy, but it works in that it better gets across the Biggs/Luke connection than the theatrical version did (without the benefit of knowing the deleted scenes content from other sources), and it explains Luke's 180-degree mood swing between talking to Leia and climbing into his fighter. The theatrical version was always obviously missing a story beat in that spot.
Watching those scenes, I have to wonder if they would have dubbed over Camie with an American actress.
I think the Biggs scene at Yavin that was restored for the SE's is clumsy, but it works in that it better gets across the Biggs/Luke connection than the theatrical version did (without the benefit of knowing the deleted scenes content from other sources), and it explains Luke's 180-degree mood swing between talking to Leia and climbing into his fighter. The theatrical version was always obviously missing a story beat in that spot.
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I was watching the deleted scenes recently and actually feeling like that particular scene should have been left in.Leia gets pissed at Luke when he hints at having to go away for awhile (without being specific for obvious reasons) because of the earlier argument with Han in the tunnel, and Luke didn't know that Han was planning to leave. I think it fits personally but YMMV.
I agree. Additionally, Luke's surprise that Han plans to leave adds more poignancy to their goodbyes in the hangar.
That cut scene contained more feeling and interest than any performance in the sterile prequels.
I had a RotJ storybook that had a picture of Luke hanging from the grates in Jabba's pit - referencing a deleted sequence where he Jedi-jumped back up when the trapdoor dropped.
A photo from the same cut shot was used in the 1983 Topps trading card set. I remember kids saying, "when did that happen?" for some time that year.
I was watching the deleted scenes recently and actually feeling like that particular scene should have been left in.
Oh I get the plot logic of the scene, it's just the writing was so ham-fisted it was almost funny. There's also an extended cut of that argument between Han & Leia in the corridor which you can see why they cut short. It went on far too long and was way to verbose.
The impression I'm left with is that Lucas has a tendency towards putting heavy exposition into dialogue to the point where sub-text becomes text and it all gets very hammy. Not sure if it's a conscious choice because he's not confident he can get the point across visually or through the actors' performance, if he really wanted his heroes to gibber like players in some cheep melodrama or if he just figured it best to cover all the bases and trim any excess in post.
Either way, the editing is really what saved the original films in a lot of ways.
Agreed about the wampas. They looked really cheesy and it wasn't needed. I don't agree about the Tosche Station scenes with Biggs at least. Biggs explains a bit of whats going on and we see the friendship between the two. TO include some of the scene would be nice and would enhance the emotion of Biggs death at the end.
Yeah, also there really isn't a good place for it to be. As I said before, it's better overall to keep the narrative POV focused on the droids and Leia.
Inserting the scene with Biggs means you'd have to insert the scenes with Camie & Fixer, so you have context for what Luke is going on about and then you need the scene with him out by the vaporator because having your hero blunder into the room, raving about a space battle to the general derision of all isn't a very good introduction to your hero. There's a good reason why the whole thing was pulled out. It works OK in isolation and it's safe to assume it is still something that happened off screen, but in the context of the whole film it's very much out of place.
It is a shame there wasn't time to re-shoot the scene so that it fit with the narrative. Biggs could easily have been a guest at the dinner scene for example.
Some of the deleted Scenes from ROTJ were interesting also. You have the weird scene where the DS commander and the royal guards try to stop Vader from seeing the Emperor. Then, the whole blow up Endor if the shield goes down thing. I don't see the point of that one, the shield is down the damage is done. Rebel ships are flying into the superstructure of Death Star, they should be worrying about evacuating. Instead they are want to blow up on a few rebels and possibly thousands of the empires own troops.
You can see them here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1qyXxLIXLw
You can see them here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1qyXxLIXLw
The order to blow up Endor was to push Skywalker into a corner. The Emperor doesn't care about anything else at this moment really. He only wants Luke to join the Dark Side to replace Darth Vader. Nothing else matters. Luke turns, the Dark Side wins and the theory goes that the Rebels will faultier and the Death Star II will remain. This entire convoluted plan is to push Luke to the Dark Side. That the Rebels might be destroyed as well is just a bonus to the Emperor. Having a large rebellion allows justified military spending afterall.
Blow up Endor doesn't do much, but it hurts Luke. The flying pieces of planet would likely take out most of the larger Rebel (and Imperial) ships and cause serious morale problems for the remaining Rebels. The Death Star's own shielding and armor should be able to protect itself from the exploding planet (it was designed to blow up planets after all). Its own TIE fighters would be able to take care of whatever Rebel fighters remained.
The Moff Jerjerrod followed orders. The Emperor died while the Death Star was turning to face Endor. He was reluctant to blow up the moon, but did his duty (the novel places him as deturmined to carry out the Emperor's last command even as his crew starts abandoning their posts or dying under the hail of fire from the Alliance warships/crashing Super Star Destroyer. The Death Star was 30 seconds or so from firing when it exploded. The Superlaser array blowing a second before the rest of the station. Moff Jerjerrod was holding the firing trigger personally in the novel after the gunners abandoned their posts.
Blow up Endor doesn't do much, but it hurts Luke. The flying pieces of planet would likely take out most of the larger Rebel (and Imperial) ships and cause serious morale problems for the remaining Rebels. The Death Star's own shielding and armor should be able to protect itself from the exploding planet (it was designed to blow up planets after all). Its own TIE fighters would be able to take care of whatever Rebel fighters remained.
The Moff Jerjerrod followed orders. The Emperor died while the Death Star was turning to face Endor. He was reluctant to blow up the moon, but did his duty (the novel places him as deturmined to carry out the Emperor's last command even as his crew starts abandoning their posts or dying under the hail of fire from the Alliance warships/crashing Super Star Destroyer. The Death Star was 30 seconds or so from firing when it exploded. The Superlaser array blowing a second before the rest of the station. Moff Jerjerrod was holding the firing trigger personally in the novel after the gunners abandoned their posts.
