Defiance Season 2 Discussion

[JD]

I got a kick out of the Star Wars reference myself.

This was another good episode. I thought we got some pretty good movement on all the stuff that was set up in the first episode.

I thought they made it a bit too easy for Alak to kill Skevur, meaning that by having Skevur break free and attack Alak, they make it a simple kill or be killed situation which should help Alak come to terms with killing Skevur since he had to. I think it would have been more interesting if Alak actually chose to kill a defenseless victim, to show how far he's slipping.

I thought the whole point was that he hasn't slipped that far yet. That's he's not yet become what his mother is trying to make him.

I loved the fact that Datak's scheme actually didn't work.
I'm also glad that Nolan and Amanda finally got together, I've been a big shipper since the pilot.
I am I the only person who actually likes, or at least doesn't mind, the Irisa/Irzu/Kaziri storyline?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Has anyone else gotten two half hand jobs before?

He's like the little engine that cou, cou, cou, could.

 

[The Wormhole]

Farscape used to do it, too, since Crichton was a twentieth-century Earthman who had presumably seen his fair share of Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. He made lots of pop-cultural references.

True, though Farscape, like Stargate was more light-hearted tongue in cheek fare, with a lead character from contemporary Earth, or near enough in Farscape's case. Although, I guess Defiance's lead is also from contemporary Earth, as Nolan was a kid in the pilot when he firs saw the alien ships arrive in modern St. Louis. But, Defiance isn't as tongue in cheek, hearing a Star Wars reference here feels as weird as it would were Star Wars to be referenced on Star Trek

I don't know. It also works as a nice reminder that this isn't all that far in the future--and that the world of the viewer is less than a generation in the past. It goes with Defiance still having country music and the older folks being nostalgic for the way things used to be. "I miss horses," etc.

"Star Wars" is part of the pop-cultural detritus of Old Earth. It's like referencing Coca-Cola or Elvis Presley . . . .

I guess. I suppose my main problem is that season 1 had practically no pop culture references, aside from Twilight being mentioned in the episode with the astronaut. And while that did stand out, it's kind of excusable since the episode did feature someone from modern day essentially transported to Defiance.

Still, we've gone from a season with very few pop culture references, to the second episode of the new season with a dissertation comparing the show's lead character to Han Solo. Like I said originally, it is rather surreal.

 

[Mister Fandango]

Eh? Season one had a ton of pop culture references. Most notably the records they were playing from the arch.

And it's not like this is some alien world or one taking place thousands of years in the future. This is just a handful of years after an alien invasion of the modern world, with lots of people still alive who remember all those things. I'm pretty sure we saw them talking about Star Wars and other old stories around a campfire and the like (or I might have that confused with another show).

 

[Star Wolf]

Eh? Season one had a ton of pop culture references. Most notably the records they were playing from the arch.

And it's not like this is some alien world or one taking place thousands of years in the future. This is just a handful of years after an alien invasion of the modern world, with lots of people still alive who remember all those things. I'm pretty sure we saw them talking about Star Wars and other old stories around a campfire and the like (or I might have that confused with another show).

About 30 if memory serves, giving Nolan time to have seen Star Wars and be old enough to remember it.

 

[sojourner]

I'm pretty sure we saw them talking about Star Wars and other old stories around a campfire and the like (or I might have that confused with another show).

That was Revolution.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

At least they haven't had Thanksgiving yet.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In Revolution the First Nations reclaimed a fair chunk of what used to be America.

In Defiance the Government took a fist Nations Gulanite Mine without paying for it.

One gives these nice people in the here and now a chance to feel bitter resentment and the other to feel resentful bitterness.

 

[Greg Cox]

Eh? Season one had a ton of pop culture references. Most notably the records they were playing from the arch.

Heck, practically the very first scene of the very first episode had Nolan and Irisa singing along to some old country song while driving in their roller--which drove home the fact that this wasn't some completely futuristic culture or environment, but a makeshift, yard-sale world built on the detritus of an Earth that's only been gone for a few decades . . . .

It would be weird if people weren't referencing old sci-fi shows occasionally. "Hey, remember when aliens were only in movies and TV shows?"

 

[sojourner]

"Hey, remember when aliens were only in movies and TV shows?"

"Not according to a crazy uncle I used to have"

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

SO I just saw there were these things called the mini-sodes. Anyone watched them? Guess I'll go look for them.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, I caught those last month. Not bad, but kind of meh.

I won't spoiler code since they were posted on-line back in March and the pay-off has already been seen in the show proper. They're set in between the season1 finale and season 2 premiere where Nolan is off looking for Irisa and ends up in a bar run by an old war buddy of his. He gets ambushed and tortured by a Castithan who is part of that cult that worships Irisa, but then we learn Nolan is allowing himself to be tortured so that he can learn the location of the cult leader, the guy Nolan shot in the premiere who also tortured Irisa as a child and was in turn kidnapped and tortured by her last year. There's also flashbacks interspersed throughout picking up from when Nolan rescued Irisa from the cult when she was a child showing the early days of their relationship and Nolan deserting the military.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What happened to Irisa over the break?

I used to think she was 12.

Still too young, but at least I feel like I'm now allowed to look.

Not that I want to.

The makeup is offputting.

But it's nice not wonder why I'm being forcefed childporn.

 

[JD]

Stephanie Leonidas just turned 30 this February.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The character is half that, or at least she was last season, even though she was killing people and shagging Tommy.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Ah, but on Irath, 9 is the age of consent.

Plus she floated in space in hypersleep for 5,000 years, so she's technically older than Nolan.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Ah, but on Irath, 9 is the age of consent.

Plus she floated in space in hypersleep for 5,000 years, so she's technically older than Nolan.

Assuming she wasn't born after they got to earth.

remember she was a kid around the time the war was ending which was about 20 years after the Votan arrived on Earth.

 

[intrinsical]

I liked that they showed Chicago and Hollywood. Hope its not a one time deal.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If I was in charge of planning the evacuation, only impregnated women would be allowed to leave. That being said, unimpregated women, infertile women or post menopausal women would be treated as if they were men. But honestly, if you didn't bring a lot to the table from some means (skills/status?) the infertile were not going to get on one of those ships.

This is about space.

Embryos don't need their own stasis sack.

1000,000 women carrying 1 to 3 embryo's economically inside them is just an tetrisic use of space.

That being said, there were probably a couple large ships carrying genetic data on ice from millions of more citizens that didn't get a golden ticket off world.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I loved tonight's ending.

"The Master returns ..."



So this "fiber optic" parasite that resided in Irisa can actually move from one host to another. And what was this vision or memory that Irisa had with her and another Irathient? It would appear some Votans knew Earth was inhabited prior to the migration.