Decanonize Nemesis
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The only way you could decanonize something in Trek would be some sort of Council of Nicea setup.
Since GR is dead, maybe the head of Paramount could stand in as pope and the various living former executive producers could be the bishops.
Since GR is dead, maybe the head of Paramount could stand in as pope and the various living former executive producers could be the bishops.
It's not unquestioned reverence. It's recognition of the fact that Gene's position as the creator of the entire thing places his point of view and opinion above any other.
He's the founding father of Trek. If people can sit here today and base decisions on gun laws on the "founding fathers" of the 1700s, Gene's statements on Trek are no less valid, especially when he was still alive to give his opinion personally.
CaptainHawk1
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No it doesn't, sorry, and never did.
Yeah, here's the thing... the analogy fails because it's just plain idiotic. Gun law decisions are based on the Constitution of the United States, which is the ultimate and primary authority for all law in the U.S. The opinions of the founding fathers don't factor in. Please, don't go into areas on which you are neither educated or professionally trained. It's embarrassing to those of who are.
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
... which is actually clever. Esoteric... but clever.
Well, there you have it folks. Conversation over. Done. Because "CaptainHawk1" says its so. His is the gospel.
Gene Roddenberry had no more to do with Trek than the custodian on the set. Maybe we should remove Mr. Roddenberry from the canon as well.
I realize this might make me the exception, but I don't have a canon universe in my head. What I have is stuff I like and don't like...not the same thing at all.
Canon is anything live-action that appeared on the screen. If I really dislike it, as I do VOY's "Endgame," for example, I either find a way to discount it (which is easy to do with "Endgame" since it left things pretty open), or I just get over it, even if it makes me sad or even if I don't approve of it.
You can find a canon-compatible way around a lot of things - though not everything - if you try. How else do you think all us long-time Trek fans - I mean the ones that watched TOS during its original run - manage it? But if it happened, it happened.
Edit: But I do pretty much agree with you on Roddenberry, by the way. He was the creator and deserves credit for that, but I've moved on, the world's moved on and so has Trek. That's the way it should be. Everybody and everything either grows up or dies.
I hate this kind of mentality. No, it happened. We all saw it (well those of us, who bothered showing up - in the hopes TNG didn't have to end like this).
It's not as if the door was left wide open for Data to return in some form... I think of deaths from other series, with no such get-out clause.
It's not as if the door was left wide open for Data to return in some form... I think of deaths from other series, with no such get-out clause.
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William Shatner
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William Shatner
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CaptainHawk1
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Actually, yes it was, and that's the biggest problem plotwise of the whole film. I haven't discussed my issues specifically with the film to this point but let me say that I would have no problem with Data's death if they actually made it a death instead of just a cloning of his hard drive.
In one fell swoop, they undid 15 years of character development, in which they built up a case for his being alive and sentient and they reduced it to copying all of his information and placing it in B4 and suggesting that Data can live again through B4. So basically, Data is just a computer and not more than the sum of his parts or programming.
I really wish I had named this thread, IF YOU COULD DECANONIZE NEMESIS, WOULD YOU?
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
So sayeth the Lord. Fuckin' A right. You learned something today. Good for you.
Gene Roddenberry had no more to do with Trek than the custodian on the set. Maybe we should remove Mr. Roddenberry from the canon as well.[/QUOTE]
Didn't suggest that, but this idea that GR's influence on the direction of Trek is any more important than anyone else's (who played a major role in production) should be is doesn't make any sense. The fact is, for better or worse, as much as everybody hates B&B, they have more to do with direction of Trek over the last 20 years than GR does.
I think Nemesis is great. Nearly as good as First Contact even. Insurrection was passable. It had its flaws, but it's certainly not terrible. I haven't seen TFF for a very long time (though I will do soon when my 1-6 box set arrives), but from what I recall and have read, it had an interesting concept.
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Lord Garth
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Nemesis is irrelevant now. In a way it already is non-canon.
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Garrovick
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IF it was "Deconniized" what exactly happens?
I don't care for NEMESIS, but the little turd is canon. And I don't want it decanonized even if it sucks.
I hate the word canon. I like the movie alright, it really sucks in comparison to STXI though.
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Lord Garth
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That's right. Though, to paraphrase McCoy, it's really not dead as long as Spock Prime remembers.
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