Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

[Snaploud]

Here's a thought. Some of us have been assuming Savage is actually the head or creator of the time masters. Perhaps the last episode will adjust the timeline so that his daughter becomes the new creator/head of the time masters. That would allow Rip to go back to being a time master under a more compassionate leadership (perhaps one that allows time masters to have families).

 

[Guy Gardener]

It all depends on how Vandal got to Vanishing Point?

Did he just live so long that one day he was there at the end of time enjoying the scenery, or did Savage win a time war by controlling the high ground?

Is his daughter immortal enough to wait out trillions of years till heatdeath - 1?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Yeah I was definitely getting Ultraman vibes.

Would've been a hoot if some light had started blinking on Ray's suit to tell him that he was running out of power. Jax even could have played the part of the narrator!

 

[intrinsical]

Also, would his body have trouble processing relatively small oxygen particles?

If his suit can operate in space as seen some episodes ago, it could have its own source of enlarged oxygen.

 

[Snaploud]

If his suit can operate in space as seen some episodes ago, it could have its own source of enlarged oxygen.

That's what I thought at first, but his mouth didn't seem to be covered by anything that would hold-in a separate air supply.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Would've been a hoot if some light had started blinking on Ray's suit to tell him that he was running out of power. Jax even could have played the part of the narrator!

When he was laid out on the ground would've been perfect.

 

[Greg Cox]

The show is really just about having adventures of the week in a certain historical period. Time travel is just the means to achieve that. I don't think the show ever intended to be serious about it.

True. In which case, however, they should probably not have the characters arguing constantly about the ramifications of changing history.

I like the show, but they do seem to be trying to have it both ways: lots of urgent debates about temporal paradoxes, while blithely making up the "rules" as they go along . . ...

 

[Snick27]

I so hate Kendra. The whole i cant kill Savage cause that would mean Carter would not get his memories back is more important than saving Rips family, the billions and billions of lives Savage has killed and will kill, the 100 times Savage has killed both Kendra and Carter. And hell with Ray and his feelings.
She has to be the worst character ever and to not kill Savage over everything is in part what is wrong with this show to me.

 

[Snick27]

If they tagged Savage with a radioactive compound earlier enough in his timeline, with a massive half life, they'd be able to track the man very easily no matter where he is hiding for millennia.

If Savages powers are darkmatter related, why isn't Harry's metahuman detector usable technology for tracking Vandal Savage?

Okay, here's an idea that should have been obvious from the moment we saw that the Wave Rider was spaceworthy.

1. Divert the Dark Matter meteor. No meteor strike. Everyone lives. No one is immortal.

2. Throw a different rock at their temple a day earlier.

Guy your way to smart for this tv show.

Also if they kill Savage in 2166 that still does not stop the virus from killing everyone or stop the Time Masters from trying to kill the babies of everyone.

Starting to think the creative group that is writing Flash, Arrow, and Legends have to much on their plate and do not have enough time to think through their stories and plans for each season to really correct some of the bad writing and bad plots. I feel all 3 shows have been badly written this year and Legends is just all over the place with its time travel stories and just seems they have no clue on the endgame for Savage so they keep writing filler episodes with no direction.

I mean if Rip kills Savage or prevents him from killing his family, then the time line gets Ripped apart right?
Or would the time line just erase the Rip Hunters that remember their family getting killed?
Didnt Rip say he went back to the day of his family getting killed and failed and they tried earlier than that. Do they all get erased? Time Travel makes my head hurt.

 

[Mr Light]

Wow, that was a hell of an episode! I particularly loved the giant robot fight. Should have been the season finale, except for Kendra stupidly sparring Savage...

So was that supposed to be Scandal Savage or not? Wikipedia tells me she never had a name other than Scandal, so I was confused by her being called Cassandra... also being blonde/white...

 

[Guy Gardener]

All that "time energy" inside Ray, is technically Gideon inside Ray.

A little sexual?

Gideon might go fatal attraction and boil ray's Rabbit as a prelude to taking out Kendra, so that he's all hers forever?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wow, that was a hell of an episode! I particularly loved the giant robot fight. Should have been the season finale, except for Kendra stupidly sparring Savage...

So was that supposed to be Scandal Savage or not? Wikipedia tells me she never had a name other than Scandal, so I was confused by her being called Cassandra... also being blonde/white...

Savage probably wont go down until the finale. So there is more "drama" to come.

I don't think she was supposed to be Scandal. Savage probably has a lot of kids and descendants. In a recent arc in the Superman books he and several of his descendants were the villains. Pre New 52, Roy Harper (Arsenal/Speedy/Red Arrow) was a descendant.

 

[Christopher]

I so hate Kendra. The whole i cant kill Savage cause that would mean Carter would not get his memories back is more important than saving Rips family, the billions and billions of lives Savage has killed and will kill, the 100 times Savage has killed both Kendra and Carter. And hell with Ray and his feelings.
She has to be the worst character ever and to not kill Savage over everything is in part what is wrong with this show to me.

I will never, ever agree that an inability to kill makes a character terrible. Killing, for most people, is a very difficult thing to do. Turning someone into a killer, if they aren't a psychopath to begin with, requires breaking down a lot of the natural inhibitions against it that any decent human being would possess. Kendra was a barista six months ago. Even in her past lives, apparently, she relied mostly on Carter to defend her, in keeping with the cultural values of the times. She's had some combat training and experience, she's participated in battles where people died, but deliberately killing someone with premeditation is not something that should realistically be portrayed as easy for her, no matter what's objectively at stake. Not to mention that, if I understand correctly, she would've been condemning Carter not only to losing his memories, but to never again being reincarnated. After 4000 years as his soulmate, how could she be expected to just coldly set that aside? How could she even be human if that were easy for her?

If every character in every show were just some cold-blooded psychopath who could murder without a qualm and dismiss love as an inconvenience, that would be horrible. If every story portrayed brute violence as the solution to every problem, that would be atrocious. It is never a terrible thing to be motivated by love or compassion or respect for life. There can be situations where it's regrettably necessary to set them aside, but being unable to set aside mercy and humanity is something that should never be denounced. That doesn't make someone terrible, it makes them too good for the situation.

So was that supposed to be Scandal Savage or not? Wikipedia tells me she never had a name other than Scandal, so I was confused by her being called Cassandra... also being blonde/white...

According to Wikipedia, the recent comics have given Savage another daughter, an FBI profiler named Kass Sage, though sources disagree on whether that's short for Kassandra or Kassidy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Savage probably wont go down until the finale. So there is more "drama" to come.

I don't think she was supposed Scandal. Savage probably has a lot of kids and descendants. In a recent arc in the Superman books he and several of his descendants were the villains. Pre New 52, Roy Harper (Arsenal/Speedy/Red Arrow) was a descendant.

Pre new 52, Savage needed parts and transfusions and new organs and stuff all the time, since despite his "immortality" his parts had an expiry date (natural life spans, not every other day. But he may have needed a new heart in 5 years, a new kidney in 15 years, and new eyes in 3 months.). Vandal could only take transplants from his descendants, which means he was inclined to breed to ensure his own survival, to guard against time and accidents.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

As a fan of the Ultraman franchise, I approve of this finale.

 

[Guy Gardener]

As a fan of the Ultraman franchise, I approve of this finale.

The final episode for season one, s01e16, airs on May 19th.

3 more weeks.

 

[Snick27]

I will never, ever agree that an inability to kill makes a character terrible. Killing, for most people, is a very difficult thing to do. Turning someone into a killer, if they aren't a psychopath to begin with, requires breaking down a lot of the natural inhibitions against it that any decent human being would possess. Kendra was a barista six months ago. Even in her past lives, apparently, she relied mostly on Carter to defend her, in keeping with the cultural values of the times. She's had some combat training and experience, she's participated in battles where people died, but deliberately killing someone with premeditation is not something that should realistically be portrayed as easy for her, no matter what's objectively at stake. Not to mention that, if I understand correctly, she would've been condemning Carter not only to losing his memories, but to never again being reincarnated. After 4000 years as his soulmate, how could she be expected to just coldly set that aside? How could she even be human if that were easy for her?

If every character in every show were just some cold-blooded psychopath who could murder without a qualm and dismiss love as an inconvenience, that would be horrible. If every story portrayed brute violence as the solution to every problem, that would be atrocious. It is never a terrible thing to be motivated by love or compassion or respect for life. There can be situations where it's regrettably necessary to set them aside, but being unable to set aside mercy and humanity is something that should never be denounced. That doesn't make someone terrible, it makes them too good for the situation.




According to Wikipedia, the recent comics have given Savage another daughter, an FBI profiler named Kass Sage, though sources disagree on whether that's short for Kassandra or Kassidy.

The whole point of this show is to kill Savage. If Kendra wants to be killed over and over again and not stop the billions of deaths by Savage then to me thats stupid. And im not talking about every show, im just talking about this one. If someone has killed you and your love time after time and you sit there and do nothing then you should not part of this group as your useless and boring. When its war time like it is for this show, you do what you must.

And regarding Carter: The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's sorta likely that Vandal Savage was Christ if the resurrection really happened, and Christ had to be someone with magic powers who can't die.

Imagine if the legends had removed Vandal from history before the Romans crucified him?

(Oh, you think he's Longinus? Don't be a pussy. Commit to the bit.)

 

[Christopher]

The whole point of this show is to kill Savage.

The characters' goal is to do that, yes. But fiction is not just about a straight line between intention and success. That would be boring. Countless works of fiction have involved characters pursuing goals that they struggled with, goals that threatened to break them, goals that turned out to be misguided or wrong, goals that changed as they learned new things. It's never wise to assume that the characters' initial goal will be the same as their final decision.

And killing someone is not like going down to the store for groceries. It's a monumental, painful, terrible choice to have to make, unless you're either a hardened killer or a psychopath, and Kendra is neither. There have been thousands of stories in which a character has set out to kill someone and then realized at the end that they couldn't -- and shouldn't -- do it. I can't believe you've never encountered one before.

If Kendra wants to be killed over and over again and not stop the billions of deaths by Savage then to me thats stupid.

And if you think it would be anywhere near as simple as that, then you aren't actually thinking it through, or just don't understand what it actually means to end someone's life. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback and pretend it can be reduced to a cold equation like that, but if you actually had to make that choice for yourself -- to sacrifice the person you love most in the world -- you have no business assuming it would be easy.

And im not talking about every show, im just talking about this one. If someone has killed you and your love time after time and you sit there and do nothing then you should not part of this group as your useless and boring. When its war time like it is for this show, you do what you must.

That's easy to say. You go march into a war zone and see how easy it actually is to do if you haven't been trained. You can debate the objective logic of it all you want, but that doesn't mean you could just turn off your humanity and emotion if you actually had to do it.

 

[Crow T. Robot]

It's sorta likely that Vandal Savage was Christ if the resurrection really happened, and Christ had to be someone with magic powers who can't die.

Imagine if the legends had removed Vandal from history before the Romans crucified him?

(Oh, you think he's Longinus? Don't be a pussy. Commit to the bit.)

Considering that one of Rip's first moves on the show was to try to completely erase him from history, that's sort of a moot argument. The fact that he went about it in a really stupid way just points out that Rip was a pretty lousy Time Master.