At this point I'm looking forward to Summer when my brain can detox from all of this junk food.
Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1
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So the crew kidnapped teenaged Rory and Sara and took the baby versions of themselves to protect them from the Pilgrim. Did they take everyone? Wouldn't that have affected the two teenagers in their custody? When they were reunited with the past loved ones, Stein's wife didn't recognize him because they never met. But Palmer's former fiancee recognized him, so that means they left him alone(?). 
They explained that the Pilgrim gets one shot.
If she fails, she has to fall back and no round two.
If she fails, she has to fall back and no round two.
This is not about what's scientifically or naturally possible, but what's bureaucratically possible. A civil servant working inside the limits of her remit.
Which is why I don't know why they kept young Rory and young Sarah with them on the Waverider. Once the Pilgrim had failed to kill them, it would have been fine to put them back in their timeline.
Me too. The freeze frame sequence was very cool.
Yeah, I'm really not clear on the consequences of time travel in this show at this point. I'll just watch and try not to think too hard
The show is really just about having adventures of the week in a certain historical period. Time travel is just the means to achieve that. I don't think the show ever intended to be serious about it.
The legends rescued those younger editions of themselves "midattack"?
Only by "taking" them when they did, as they did, could they end the Pilgrims attack phase (I think that collectable card game speak.) or maybe prolong it. Waiting for them to return could be considered the same attack. Since it's not a paradox to wait, or travel forward in time to attack again. She was only not allowed to go back in time and nab earlier versions of our heroes.
Trying to return Teen White Canary or Teen heatwave instantly or near to where they were taken in time/space would flare off against the Pilgrims own time-radar, so because The Pilgrim didn't see them returning Rory and/or Sarah, and kill them all, the crew of the Wave Rider had to keep those two crazy kids until the Pilgrim was taken care of, or they were themselves dead at her hands.
Only by "taking" them when they did, as they did, could they end the Pilgrims attack phase (I think that collectable card game speak.) or maybe prolong it. Waiting for them to return could be considered the same attack. Since it's not a paradox to wait, or travel forward in time to attack again. She was only not allowed to go back in time and nab earlier versions of our heroes.
Trying to return Teen White Canary or Teen heatwave instantly or near to where they were taken in time/space would flare off against the Pilgrims own time-radar, so because The Pilgrim didn't see them returning Rory and/or Sarah, and kill them all, the crew of the Wave Rider had to keep those two crazy kids until the Pilgrim was taken care of, or they were themselves dead at her hands.
I watched the episode in a hurry this morning before work so maybe I missed it. After the freeze frame sequence, when they defeat the Pilgrim, do they return the younger selves to their timeline? Surely after the Pilgrim is defeated, it would be safe to do so, right?
Omega Protocols are still in effect. Someone else is going to assigned to complete the mission.
Rip for some reasons thinks that attacking Vandal Savage in 2166, will save everyone, or he's like a dog with a bone, thinking that ridiculous detour Vandal Savage is at all still important, considering they have to go to Vanishing Point and "destroy" the Time-Masters to save Snart and Stein, and probably everyone else on that Time Ship
Rip for some reasons thinks that attacking Vandal Savage in 2166, will save everyone, or he's like a dog with a bone, thinking that ridiculous detour Vandal Savage is at all still important, considering they have to go to Vanishing Point and "destroy" the Time-Masters to save Snart and Stein, and probably everyone else on that Time Ship
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Considering that city was probably destroyed (cleaned) by the dark matter meteor, there would be no effects from letting lose with modern technology at any point even a few years before the strike, surely?
Killing Vandal at any point, is going rip time into Shreds, since it's pretty ####ing obvious that he founded the Time Masters by this point.
Killing Vandal at any point, is going rip time into Shreds, since it's pretty ####ing obvious that he founded the Time Masters by this point.
No, they're still at the Refuge. Indeed, that's a key plot point. Since their younger selves have not been restored, the timeline without them is starting to "set," which means the team has no choice but make their final strike at Savage quickly, and that means targeting him at the one time they previously chose to avoid -- at the height of his power, just before his conquest of Earth.
They'd have to find him first. A key premise of the series from the get-go has been that Savage can only be tracked down at a few points in history, because he otherwise keeps himself hidden. Maybe history doesn't record where he was born and raised. And Rip previously did try to kill him before he became immortal, as seen in one of the early episodes, but he failed, and the show's tenuous time-travel logic says that you only get one shot at something like that. As explained with Pilgrim here, they have to choose a precise point in the target's timeline, presumably the one that would have the least impact on history otherwise.
Unfortunately, the show keeps putting a point on it making it hard to ignore. It seems to go for a lot of emotional beats it hasn't done enough to earn.
As if the inane time travel logic and Gilligan's Island premise that makes our heroes look like complete fuck-ups weren't enough, now our heroes are creepy baby-snatchers as well!
It's the aspiring baby-murderer who's the creepy one. I don't think it's creepy to spirit away a baby to protect it from being killed. It worked out pretty well for Kal-El. And Moses, and Krishna, and Luke Skywalker, and others. Not so much for Oedipus, though.
I'm sure you meant before his fiancee died.
But why not try to protect all the baby versions of themselves? The more I try to think about the logic of this episode, the less it makes sense.
Most of those had some form of parental participation. These guys are snatching babies from hospitals. Yeah, we know why, but it's still an inherently creepy act.
Nonesexually, it's still called masturbation, if you're involved in some solo undertaking, like kidnapping yourself... Although they had help, so this paradigm falls apart quickly.