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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

The novel featured the 7th Doctor and Bernice Summerfield but can't remember if she pretended to be a maid

No, she didn't. I just skimmed through the early chapters, and though I couldn't tell what she did other than painting, she did appear to be a woman of independent means, with her own cottage. (Amusingly, I rediscovered, there's a part where one of the villains tries to fool Benny by pretending to be a future incarnation of the Doctor revisiting his own past -- and he claims to be the Tenth Doctor!)


I don't think Kendra is non-white *enough* to trigger some of those prejudices. She could claim a nationality that allows her to be a bit darker without the stigmas. Sad but true.

I dunno -- in the previous episode, people did jump to the conclusion that she was the hired help. I think the tolerances for what constituted "too dark" were pretty narrow back then. Heck, there was still plenty of prejudice against Italians in some places.
 
To be fair, the previous episode got in its very hamfisted scene on the subject of the prejudices of the era in the diner with Dr. Stein...maybe they should have saved some of that for this episode instead.

On the plus side, I didn't catch any middle-American references to ninjas.
 
I dunno -- in the previous episode, people did jump to the conclusion that she was the hired help. I think the tolerances for what constituted "too dark" were pretty narrow back then. Heck, there was still plenty of prejudice against Italians in some places.
My wife, who is of partial Italian descent, used to date a friend of mine. His mother didn't like her because she's Italian. "You know how they are" to quote my friend's mother.
 
My ex is Irish/Italian, and when her parents got together ca. 1950, each family had epithets to describe the other.

BTW, was this episode the first time they used the phrase "Hawk out"? I got a giggle out of that.
 
My ex is Irish/Italian, and when her parents got together ca. 1950, each family had epithets to describe the other.

BTW, was this episode the first time they used the phrase "Hawk out"? I got a giggle out of that.
My wife is Italian/Irish/Mexican. The though the Mexican part calls themselves "Spanish". Not sure how many Centuries you have to live in Mexico before you're Mexican. :shrug:

I liked the Hawk Out line too.
 
I didn't see the previous episode, as I had mentioned in my reply to Christopher, but saying that if Kendra was a shelf stacker that might have been the only job on campus that she could get. She's a non-white woman in the 60s. Even if she had a degree there's no guarantee she would get a job commensurate with her education-forged or not.

How she would have gotten a job in a college at all, is that Ray said "I have a relative" or "my naughty almost illegal mistress" needs a job, and that her employment was a condition of his employment. Getting a job fairly as you said, would be unlikely to impossible, but Kendra would have been a shoe in since all the other married men on campus had a "niece on staff" too.

When did Library science become a degree? It's possible at the time (1958?) all you needed to be a full librarian was an English degree?

(Melvin Dewey, yes that Dewey, opened a school for Library Economy in 1876, but library science in one form or another had been taught or thought necessary since the 17th century.)
 
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(I have no idea why I'm stressing out on this?)

Depends how big the library is, but Kenda needs a masters degree in at least one discipline, and which ever ten people with seniority before her, die or retire, before she can be top dog.

Why was Kendra a Barista?

Unless she owned the place, which she didn't, that's a job for someone without a degree, or for some one still at school or an actor, or for someone that's been kicked in the ovaries really hard, and on their way back up.

When Kendra gets back to 2016, would Ray be willing to print her up a new set of forged degrees so she could take on any job that took her fancy less insulting to her sense of dignity than barristaing?

Really, Ray should have gotten Kendra in as a Student to get an honest degree of her own, if they were stuck their forever, which ironically would be useless if they ever got home.
 
Depends how big the library is, but Kenda needs a masters degree in at least one discipline, and which ever ten people with seniority before her, die or retire, before she can be top dog.
I assume it's the University Library. No idea if "Hub City U" is a major school or some rinky-dink college.
 
I assume it's the University Library. No idea if "Hub City U" is a major school or some rinky-dink college.

Of course I might be being a huge dick.

What if Kendra is a librarian? She has all the education and the paper work, above board in 2016, but the economy is so shit, thanks Obama, that there are no vacancies in central City and/or where ever she came from before her job at CC Jitters?

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It's the beginning of the atomic, well it's a couple steps into the atomic age, so creating new legions of physicists would be very important, that the government would be sinking grants and scholarships into applied sciences hoping to keep one step ahead of the Russians... So, I'm surprised by how small Ray's Class was.
 
Of course I might be being a huge dick.

What if Kendra is a librarian? She has all the education and the paper work, above board in 2016, but the economy is so shit, thanks Obama, that there are no vacancies in central City and/or where ever she came from before her job at CC Jitters?

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It's the beginning of the atomic, well it's a couple steps into the atomic age, so creating new legions of physicists would be very important, that the government would be sinking grants and scholarships into applied sciences hoping to keep one step ahead of the Russians... So, I'm surprised how small Ray's Class was.
Being a librarian is one step closer to being a museum curator. ;) I suppose she could be underemployed as you suggest. She might have moved to CC without having a job lined up. Baristing while looking for a better job.
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Hub City U might not be a beacon for the best and brightest.
 
Any society that would follow the likes of Per Degaton and Vandal Savage must be full of injustice....

ETA: It's hard to root for these guys when they're such a bunch of fuck-ups. Savage from the future should have taunted them with knowledge of all their past failures that they haven't attempted yet from their perspective.
 
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Not sure what I felt about this episode. Lot of random unrelated stuff thrown together. Ray has a twin brother? I thought the flashbacks with Carter would lead to a reveal he was reincarnated in the future. Or lead to something with a point.
 
The basic problem with this series is that they've put a group of "heroes" in a Gilligan's Island situation, which dooms them to failure week after week to keep the series going.
 
This episode made no sense. Kidnapping Per Degaton had no effect on the timeline because it wasn't enough just to remove one 'pawn.' They then continue to spend the rest of the episode arguing over whether or not to kill said pawn. Why? Why would killing the 'pawn' affect the timeline more than their original failed plan of removing him?
 
This episode made no sense. Kidnapping Per Degaton had no effect on the timeline because it wasn't enough just to remove one 'pawn.' They then continue to spend the rest of the episode arguing over whether or not to kill said pawn. Why? Why would killing the 'pawn' affect the timeline more than their original failed plan of removing him?
^This. Killing him is the same functionally as kidnapping him from the timeline. So, why the bleepity-bleep would that even be a consideration going forward from the kidnapping? I'm starting to not only have no faith in the writers but to also think the actors must be stone cold stupid for not being able to point this out when they got the scripts.
 
I think the idea was that simply abducting him wasn't enough to change things because ultimately Rip would let him go to pursue his destiny.
 
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