If they have past lives, then he's in the past to interact with.
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And the future that Rip is from (that he seems to believe is the only 'real' future despite also claiming that the point of time he picked everyone up is the key point in time and that he is actively trying to change... but apparently can't, but is... and... there goes my brain).
It definitely seems that as an agent of the Time Masters, Mick is able to do things that the normal rules of time travel / the time ship do not allow for. It also seems like there may be a difference between running into your true past self, and running into your time traveling duplicates. It really doesn't make sense why they couldn't leave the 2 yr future versions where they are, and go back to a few days after they were stranded, instead; no one would have been interacting with past anything at that point.
Did anyone else get City on the Edge of Forever vibes with Ray trying to build future tech with outdated parts, and it catching on fire?
Did anyone else get City on the Edge of Forever vibes with Ray trying to build future tech with outdated parts, and it catching on fire?
Except that Rip is also an agent of the Time Masters. True, he's a rogue agent, but he presumably had access to all Time Master technology before he went rogue, and thus would've assembled any needed tech when he began his mission. So if there were such a technology that allowed safely crossing one's past timestream, presumably Rip would've obtained it for himself.
I don't see the distinction. Your "time traveling duplicate" is your past or future self, unless they're part of an alternate timeline that's already diverged.
Thats kind of what makes it different... the second they started making changes they are weaving in and out of the timeline in a specific manner, so going back to disrupting THAT would be *much* more catastrophic then just interfering with your past self and losing your marriage, for example. You may not see the distinction, but nonetheless, that's what we are being shown - with Cronos, as well. Rip being Rogue could mean any number of things - he needed updated software just a couple episodes ago. Maybe its the suit. Maybe its something the Council of Time Masters has done. Maybe its just something you *shouldn't* do, not something you *can't* do, and the Time Masters just don't care what it takes to get the job done anymore.
I don't waste any neurons even trying to make sense of the time travel rules on this show. I don't think it's a matter of what they can't do because it's impossible...it's a matter of what Rip won't do because reasons.
If they retool this show for hypothetical future seasons, they need to switch from a premise where the characters are trying to alter history and aren't succeeding because reasons, to one where they're the ones trying to prevent other forces from changing history, which might make more sense. Of course, then everyone would probably be arguing about why the villains don't just do A, B, and C....
If they retool this show for hypothetical future seasons, they need to switch from a premise where the characters are trying to alter history and aren't succeeding because reasons, to one where they're the ones trying to prevent other forces from changing history, which might make more sense. Of course, then everyone would probably be arguing about why the villains don't just do A, B, and C....
No time travel story withstands scrutiny. Some are more tightly put together than others but none are impervious. Best way to keep a healthy blood pressure is to take time travel stories at face value and use some other criterion to decide whether the story is worth following.
Except for a few of the hardest hard-SF ones. Robert L. Forward's Timemaster holds up pretty well, since he was a theoretical physicist writing a book based on his own theories. (Well, the physics and logic hold up. Not so much the prose and characterizations.)
I enjoy the show a lot. But in terms of defining rules there is time travel plus all the individual super powers. This show has so many different elements that are hard sells. Normally these shows have one or two concepts the audience has to buy into alone.
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Did anyone else get City on the Edge of Forever vibes with Ray trying to build future tech with outdated parts, and it catching on fire?
YES!
That's what I was going to add. Along with serving as a disguise and being protective amour, the suit somehow shields the timeline from his presence thus preventing time-folds.
Did anyone else get City on the Edge of Forever vibes with Ray trying to build future tech with outdated parts, and it catching on fire?
Ray is such a nerd i expected a stone kinves and bearskins reference. I was disappointed when we didn't get it.
Ditto. It's funny how much certain touchstones stick with us nerds lol.
On reflection, it’s a bit disappointing that the episode didn’t acknowledge that the reason why Kendra and Sara weren’t as happy as Ray to live in the 1950s was because Ray is a heterosexual white male and is thus the only one of the three who wouldn't be persecuted for being themselves. The previous episode did a decent job of acknowledging the prejudices of the era, even though it downplayed them. This one ignored the issue altogether and treated Kendra's dissatisfaction as being more about missing Netflix than missing being treated as a human being by (at least a fair percentage of) the society around her.
And really, I’d like to think that Ray wouldn’t just settle in comfortably as a member of the privileged class — that he’d be inclined to fight for social justice and civil rights, rather than just playing Ward Cleaver and teaching physics.
Also, how did Ray and Kendra manage to cohabitate for two years in the late ’50s without being married? You’d think they would’ve at least had to wear rings for appearance’s sake, so that they wouldn’t create a scandal by “living in sin." Unless they just passed Kendra off as his housekeeper, but I doubt she’d be happy with that. And the fact that they went on a picnic together in a public place argues against that idea.
And really, I’d like to think that Ray wouldn’t just settle in comfortably as a member of the privileged class — that he’d be inclined to fight for social justice and civil rights, rather than just playing Ward Cleaver and teaching physics.
Also, how did Ray and Kendra manage to cohabitate for two years in the late ’50s without being married? You’d think they would’ve at least had to wear rings for appearance’s sake, so that they wouldn’t create a scandal by “living in sin." Unless they just passed Kendra off as his housekeeper, but I doubt she’d be happy with that. And the fact that they went on a picnic together in a public place argues against that idea.
After they returned to the Waverider, Kenda mentioned she wasn't really that happy as a librarian and pretend or not I can't see either her or Ray going down the maid/servant path.
Librarian is a thousand times better than a barista!
As long as they were forging identity papers, they had to figure out the most high paying job she could get away with having, while having zero skillsets on hand to do that job without being found out in 5 minutes.
Does 1960 kendra have a 1960 degree in library science, or is she a shelf stacker who calls herself a librarian? And why be a shelf stacker when they were using forged college degrees in their CVs to get these jobs anyways?
As long as they were forging identity papers, they had to figure out the most high paying job she could get away with having, while having zero skillsets on hand to do that job without being found out in 5 minutes.
Does 1960 kendra have a 1960 degree in library science, or is she a shelf stacker who calls herself a librarian? And why be a shelf stacker when they were using forged college degrees in their CVs to get these jobs anyways?
Some good points you brought up. I didn't see the previous episode, but I thought it odd that Kendra and Ray were so lovey dovey out in the open and there was no reaction or backlash. That was odd to me.
I didn't see the previous episode, as I had mentioned in my reply to Christopher, but saying that if Kendra was a shelf stacker that might have been the only job on campus that she could get. She's a non-white woman in the 60s. Even if she had a degree there's no guarantee she would get a job commensurate with her education-forged or not.
Hey, it worked for the Doctor and Martha!
True but that was Edwardian England and there really wasn't any other option to get her into the school (she was a school maid not the some who specifically worked for Dr John Smith).
The novel featured the 7th Doctor and Bernice Summerfield but can't remember if she pretended to be a maid
I don't think Kendra is non-white *enough* to trigger some of those prejudices. She could claim a nationality that allows her to be a bit darker without the stigmas. Sad but true.