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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

Guy Gardener said:
But the Venture Bros is back, so all is good in the world.

Huge spoilers in the leaked episode that supported some of my aimless conjecture from a few days ago.

The Time Masters HQ is located at Vanishing Point. A (think spacestation) timestation (but more of a fortress) hovering over the lip of the last second of the Universe before total entropy.

The "Legends" were collected from many/several different timelines. The Exact quote was "They will be returned to their own timelines unharmed" which I suppose could be clumsy speak to say that that they each have a personal future history to live out, but then the writer would have to be a moron or intentionally misleading, not that everything about this show screams that parallel timelines do not exist... Although sequential timelines do exist, which means that some to most of the legends do not have a home to return to that is not already being space held by a doppelganger with right to that life than the Legend.
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I don't see how it could possibly be interepreted as anything other than poor writing. The pilot certainly seemed to show them all being collected in the same timeline, and every single one of them has been a previous (mostly recurring) character on Flash/Arrow, which is undeniably one timeline.

Also, if it's even possible for more than one timeline to exist at once in a single universe, then what is the point of trying to change the past? Would you actually even be changing anything, other than your own perspective/timeline?
 
grendelsbayne said:
I don't see how it could possibly be interepreted as anything other than poor writing. The pilot certainly seemed to show them all being collected in the same timeline, and every single one of them has been a previous (mostly recurring) character on Flash/Arrow, which is undeniably one timeline.

Also, if it's even possible for more than one timeline to exist at once in a single universe, then what is the point of trying to change the past? Would you actually even be changing anything, other than your own perspective/timeline?
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We don't know how Parallel Earths are generated, or if they all got made 16 billions years ago as a full set, or if they are quantum probabilities created randomly and often, or quantum probabilities created rarely with great difficulty.

Does the Time Master's Assembly we saw control/police all of the Multiverse, or are there versions of the Time Master's Assemblyin some, most, all the of the cross space multiple Earths existing in parallel multiversally.

If Parallel Earths are created by splitting time, even though there is no evidence to think that it does or does not, then Parallel Earths exist in parallel timelines.

:)
 
Regarding the Soviets working on their version on Firestorm, wouldn't they need compatible metahumans with activated metagenes? Those shouldn't exactly be readily available in the '80...
 
Vandals blood and Carters blood had dark-matter in it.

If he's not a moron, 3999 years ago Vandal Savage dug up and locked down the dark matter meteor that blew up his temple/city. you know about a minute after he figured out that some rock fell from the sky and turned him into a god.

Although Stein thought that the Firestorm matrix would work, as a something, before he even knew what Dark Matter was, or available.

Working out how to theoretically make a Firestorm Matrix on paper is probably doable, but having the hardware/tech to do anything about that theory is another matter entirely if you're that far back in the past.

Although unless they captured and studied Firestorm in their past, Stien/Jax's future, there's no way that they have enough testimony on hand to know what the frack a nuclear man is, especially that it's two fused people.
 
Christopher said:
Nice to see them address the issue of translation and come up with a handy sci-fi fix for having everyone speak English. Good thing they dealt with that before they traveled back to, say, Ancient Rome.

I liked the heist/caper music in the Pentagon break-in.

Interesting that the head of the "Soviet Firestorm" program is named Valentina Vostok. In the comics,
the character of that name became Negative Woman, taking on the powers of Negative Man of the Doom Patrol, which entailed becoming radioactive and fusing with a "negative energy being" that could fly and blow things up. Sounds sort of similar to Firestorm -- or like something that might happen as a result of a flawed attempt to recreate Firestorm?
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Major props to spotting that Christopher. I should start looking up character names for people who could potentially be important, that we meet in this show. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be where they are heading. Valentina and Savage's experiments have so far created incomplete Firestorms, maybe it goes bad for Valentina.

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This was a much improved ep. Some good character development and some nice action. The Atom is also pretty useless for this show and I would not mind seeing him returned to Arrow as a bit player. Stein is smarter, Firestorm more powerful, Snart more ruthless, Canary and Hawkwoman better fighters. The Atom is good for next to nothing and without the suit even more so.
 
Actually he is too useful I think.
With his shrinking tech, he would be the ideal candidate to do the infiltrating of the pentagon or russian research facilities.
And he has the technical knowledge to find his way around thise places.
Except then the episode would only be 10 minutes long.
 
Icemizer said:
This was a much improved ep. Some good character development and some nice action. The Atom is also pretty useless for this show and I would not mind seeing him returned to Arrow as a bit player. Stein is smarter, Firestorm more powerful, Snart more ruthless, Canary and Hawkwoman better fighters. The Atom is good for next to nothing and without the suit even more so.
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Perhaps, but for me Ray, Snart, and Mick are by far the best and most entertaining characters to watch on this show at the moment. The others just aren't really grabbing me all that much yet.

Kendra, Firestorm, and Sara may look really cool in action, but once they're back on the ship dealing with all their separate issues and drama, they suddenly become a lot less interesting.
 
Yeah I think Jefferson could probably be a much more fun and interesting character if he wasn't having to butt heads with Stein all the time.
 
I kind of just hate Stein as a character all around. Very rarely do I come across a character I'd rather smack upside the head every time they open their mouth to shut them up, but he's definitely one of those types of character.
 
Well there's butting heads in an entertaining and bantery kind of way, and then there's butting heads in a really annoying and irritating way. And unfortunately this Firestorm seems to be more about the latter.
 
It's a real shame, because I actually really enjoyed this Firestorm in their debut on the Flash - they're one of the biggest reasons I even gave LoT a shot - but the writers seem determined to make Jefferson dumb and soup and make Stein a terrible person.
 
Perhaps all the angst between Stein and Jefferson will resolve itself by series end. Stein explained his motivations well this ep as he doesn't want to lose another partner and is probably over compensating for the fact with Jefferson.
This is also the first time I liked Rip as a character. He is still manipulating everyone but doing much better job than at the start.
 
davejames said:
Well there's butting heads in an entertaining and bantery kind of way, and then there's butting heads in a really annoying and irritating way. And unfortunately this Firestorm seems to be more about the latter.
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We're only four weeks in. They're still early in their relationship and working through their major problems. Presumably they'll move toward greater understanding and achieve a more stable, if still contentious, partnership.
 
Icemizer said:
Perhaps all the angst between Stein and Jefferson will resolve itself by series end. Stein explained his motivations well this ep as he doesn't want to lose another partner and is probably over compensating for the fact with Jefferson.
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That probably will happen, it certainly seems like the intention, but it's a shame they had to do it in such a terribly hamfisted way. They could've had compelling interpersonal drama without Stein kidnapping Jefferson or without Jefferson deliberately acting like an idiot just to spite Stein. Certainly, if they don't move past this dynamic and start treating the characters decently, that'll be a sign for me that this show ultimately isn't going anywhere.
 
Stein abducting Jefferson pretty much poisoned the relationship. The writers should have never done that.
 
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