Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1
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Now now. He's a Time Master, not a Time Lord. On the run from his own people. Who refuse to interfere in history. In a stolen ship. That's prone to breaking down.
I hope they were just getting it all out of their system in this episode...
The opening could have been done better and would have worked as a two-hour premiere. It took Rip Hunter no longer than five minutes to pluck eight random characters, metas and regular humans, from the January 2016 timeline to assemble his own team. And there was absolutely no sense of awe on the part the heroes and villains when they first encountered a time traveler from the future. There was no hesitation or resistance either; everyone was just willing to take Hunter's word and sign up for the team without knowing who Hunter was. Cold and Heatwave, being the greedy criminals, could have at least asked, "What's in it for us?"
What if, instead, Hunter had been on a quest in the present day to stop Vandal Savage and, one by one, each of the characters was introduced or selected throughout the episode? There seemed to be very little conflict amongst themselves. I'm sure we'll see more of the team dynamics in the future.
What if, instead, Hunter had been on a quest in the present day to stop Vandal Savage and, one by one, each of the characters was introduced or selected throughout the episode? There seemed to be very little conflict amongst themselves. I'm sure we'll see more of the team dynamics in the future.
Rip Hunter: Time Master predates Doctor Who by 4 years.
It's that simple.
It's that simple.
I loved this first episode. It had a few predictable moments, but it was entertaining and I really cared about what happened. The whole main cast was great. I need to read about how Ray Palmer survived that explosion on Arrow (since I dropped Arrow before that was resolved) but besides that the story didn't feel like it needed any more set up for the characters then it got.
The characters played off each other well, and it will be interesting to see how the team dynamic develops. Rip Hunter was great, but I expected as much. Sure, him being denied permission and going on his mission anyway wasn't a surprise, but it made sense. Overall, this was a great first episode and I'm excited to see more.
The characters played off each other well, and it will be interesting to see how the team dynamic develops. Rip Hunter was great, but I expected as much. Sure, him being denied permission and going on his mission anyway wasn't a surprise, but it made sense. Overall, this was a great first episode and I'm excited to see more.
The Librarian movies predates Warehouse 13. Yet when they started The Librarians, the producers had to consciously avoid making the new tv series too similar to Warehouse 13.
Well, regular people are idiots. 
I'm definitely jazzed for a proper team show, even if the characters themselves are not the greatest. I did think it was a little funny how a lot of the characters' motivations for joining don't really make sense. I just wish they had gotten a better actor for Vandal Savage; I just don't think this guy has the chops to be the Big Bad. I felt the same about Ra'sh Al Ghul in Arrow.
Also, the character introductions seemed inconsistent with where we last saw them. Atom had a big walk off into the sunset moment where he leaves Team Arrow... yet his introduction here shows him working with Arrow like nothing happened. White Canary also had a big I'm leaving moment, and we initially see her in Marion's bar from Raiders, but then she's right back with her sister like nothing happened.
They probably should have aired this as a two hour pilot.... this single hour felt very incomplete with only a perfunctory villain appearance. But I'm stoked!
Nerd Nit: Rip Hunter is from the 25th century not the 22nd and uses a transparent little bubble not a spaceship
Also, the character introductions seemed inconsistent with where we last saw them. Atom had a big walk off into the sunset moment where he leaves Team Arrow... yet his introduction here shows him working with Arrow like nothing happened. White Canary also had a big I'm leaving moment, and we initially see her in Marion's bar from Raiders, but then she's right back with her sister like nothing happened.
They probably should have aired this as a two hour pilot.... this single hour felt very incomplete with only a perfunctory villain appearance. But I'm stoked!
Nerd Nit: Rip Hunter is from the 25th century not the 22nd and uses a transparent little bubble not a spaceship
It is a two-hour premiere - this was "Pilot, Part 1" with part 2 airing next week.
They did - one of the two realized that "what's in it for them" is "the ability to steal Rip Hunter's ship and engage in criminal behavior throughout time and space".
Well, in the latter case, she didn't come back until after Hunter's offer, so she had an incentive to return and talk to her sister. And clearly Laurel hoped that she'd be back, since she'd gotten Cisco to make that outfit for her. (And how does a science geek whose wardrobe consists mostly of goofy t-shirts get to be such a skillful tailor?)
I think it works as a single episode, but I agree, they should have aired both parts for greater effect.
This one was very heavy on establishing the characters and the plot so it could have used part 2 with a little more stuff happening in it to hook people.
Have to admit the premiere felt pretty flat to me, and didn't grab me nearly as much as the previous Berlanti premieres did. I really love the collection of characters they've put together and the basic premise appears to be a strong one, but the whole episode just felt WAY too cluttered and rushed, and didn't do a good job introducing us to this world at all, or making us care enough about what was happening.
And it doesn't help that it suffers from the same problem I had with the previous crossover episode, which is that this Vandal Savage actor just doesn't come across as remotely threatening to me. And looks and acts more like some cheesy, B-grade movie villain than a true threat on the level of a Ra's or Zoom or even Slade Wilson.
That being said though, this is still a Berlanti show so I'm sure it'll evolve and improve over time like all his other ones have.
And it doesn't help that it suffers from the same problem I had with the previous crossover episode, which is that this Vandal Savage actor just doesn't come across as remotely threatening to me. And looks and acts more like some cheesy, B-grade movie villain than a true threat on the level of a Ra's or Zoom or even Slade Wilson.
That being said though, this is still a Berlanti show so I'm sure it'll evolve and improve over time like all his other ones have.
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Honestly, I cared more about Rip Hunter and his dead family in the few minutes we got about them then I ever cared about Oliver's relationship drama or, well, really anything involved with Supergirl. The premiere wasn't perfect, but I thought it was really enjoyable with a bunch of cool moments. It helps that I like all of the characters from before LoT premiered. Heck, Atom and White Canary are better here then they were on Arrow.
It was pretty good. It was mostly set up, and while that set up was good it felt there really wasn't much to it.
I really like these characters, so I was happy to spend the time with them.
Rip Hunter is a cool character, and a nice addition to the Arrowverse.
I did get a kick out of Capt. Cold, Heatwave and Sarah going to the bar and getting into a fight.
I wasn't real thrilled with Stein drugging Jax, but at least he accepted being there at the end. I was afraid that was going to be an ongoing thing throughout the season.
It was cool meeting the Hawks's son, and I liked that it was his connection to them that motivated him to become an expert on Savage.
I was not at all surprised Hunter stole the Waverider, I know that was coming as soon as the other Time Master wouldn't give him permission to fight Savage.
I was a little more surprised that he actually picked them because they were unimportant to the timeline. They made such a big deal in the promotion about Hunter calling the others legends, so I wasn't expecting that to be a lie. I guess the idea is that what they are doing now, is going to make them Legends of Tomorrow.
I really like these characters, so I was happy to spend the time with them.
Rip Hunter is a cool character, and a nice addition to the Arrowverse.
I did get a kick out of Capt. Cold, Heatwave and Sarah going to the bar and getting into a fight.
I wasn't real thrilled with Stein drugging Jax, but at least he accepted being there at the end. I was afraid that was going to be an ongoing thing throughout the season.
It was cool meeting the Hawks's son, and I liked that it was his connection to them that motivated him to become an expert on Savage.
I was not at all surprised Hunter stole the Waverider, I know that was coming as soon as the other Time Master wouldn't give him permission to fight Savage.
I was a little more surprised that he actually picked them because they were unimportant to the timeline. They made such a big deal in the promotion about Hunter calling the others legends, so I wasn't expecting that to be a lie. I guess the idea is that what they are doing now, is going to make them Legends of Tomorrow.
I do find it a little disturbing that the only two nonwhite members of this 9-person ensemble were both essentially forced to come along against their will (Jax was drugged and Kendra lost a fight). I'm sure it wasn't intended -- the Berlanti shows are all very progressive -- but it's an unfortunate accident. I also wish there were a little more ethnic and gender diversity on the team. It's only got two women as well as two non-Caucasians. (And logically they should've cast a Hawkman who was more plausibly Egyptian.)
I'm puzzled that Rip's computer is named Gideon, the same as Thawne's computer, but has a different voice (Amy Pemberton rather than Morena Baccarin, who was too busy with Gotham, according to Marc Guggenheim). I wonder, is Gideon like the future version of Siri? Not a single unique entity, but a customizable product?
Yeah that was a really effective and emotional moment, but it came near the end of the episode and I just wish they had found a way to ground the story and make me care about all the crazy stuff that was happening before that point.
Was I the only person who thought this wasn't any good?
I don't know, I'm starting to think BerlantiCo. might be running themselves too thin.
I think everyone agrees Arrow is falling apart and even Flash has taken a pretty big quality hit this season. SG has been nothing but consistently mediocre. And I found this pilot to be all kinds of awful.
I don't know, I'm starting to think BerlantiCo. might be running themselves too thin.
I think everyone agrees Arrow is falling apart and even Flash has taken a pretty big quality hit this season. SG has been nothing but consistently mediocre. And I found this pilot to be all kinds of awful.
As for me, I don't care about "grounding" the story at all. I care about the characters, and I care about saving the world, and that's all I need. Comic book style craziness is part of the best superhero shows, like The Flash and even Agents of SHIELD. I'm just glad LoT went the Flash route of superhero action/fun and good characters, and not the Arrow route of mediocre melodrama over characters and story.
Well, Supergirl just won the People's Choice Award for "Favorite New TV Drama," so I don't think everyone agrees with you. And Arrow was nominated for "Favorite Network TV Sci-Fi/Fantasy," though it lost to Beauty and the Beast, of all things.