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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

The Old Mixer said:
Don't forget the future. Kamandi...The Leg--No! I mustn't allow myself to hope for that one....
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Yeah, the Legion is one I'm hoping against hope for. I saw a comment from one big wig that said they weren't going to be introducing a shit ton of DC characters on these shows....but I also recall Geoff Johns saying that he wanted to do as many live action versions of as many DC characters as he could.

My top picks of characters I would love to see in the Arrowverse would be:

1. Starman. Don't care if it's a modern day Jack Knight, or a cool retro costumed Ted Knight.
2. The Legion Of Super Heroes.
3. Adam Strange. Time to see DC's cosmic side.
4. Doctor Fate. Also time to see DC's magic side.
5. The New Gods. Though I have a feeling that won't happen because they'll want to use Darkseid in a JLA or Superman movie at some point.
6. The JSA and not in a WW2 setting as the older I get, the more I hate that they've been associated with it to the extent they have.
7. The Golden Age Green Lantern because he's my favorite


Also, I'm really disappointed in how Jay's been used this season. I would've preferred a two part "Flash Of Two Worlds" where Jay was powered up, and he and Barry went up against a cool villain and then Jay went home. That we got an episode using that classic title, but with a depowered Jay was a huuuuuge let down.. We were also told that Jay would be like a big brother to Barry, and this implied that he had been the Flash for long enough to have the kind of experience he could pass on. But that only lasted for one episode before we find out he's only been The Flash for maybe a year longer than Barry. Then Wells pretty much says that Barry is faster and a better Flash than Jay was and the show doesn't do anything to dispel that.

So the whole "Jay as big brother" thing has been a bust and now Jay's reduced to the odd "hey, remember me?" type cameo's where Jay just shows up for a brief moment to remind us all that he's still around. I'm really hoping that they power him up for the finale, and that it does justice to the original Flash. I'd also like to see an annual team up episode between the two in the tradition of the old JLA \ JSA team ups.
 
It'd make absolutely no sense, but I wouldn't mind seeing DC 1,000,000.

Is Eiling dead?

Eiling + Shaggyman = Supercool.

What about going to a future where everyone, 15 billion people, is Firestorm?
 
I think they're holding Jay in reserve for bigger things, including powering him up eventually. This is the problem with full network-sized seasons...season-long storylines get stretched out too much.
 
The Lensman said:
Yeah, the Legion is one I'm hoping against hope for. I saw a comment from one big wig that said they weren't going to be introducing a shit ton of DC characters on these shows....but I also recall Geoff Johns saying that he wanted to do as many live action versions of as many DC characters as he could.
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Johns recently said there would be "a hint of the Legion on one of our shows," but wouldn't specify which one. The best bets would be either Legends of Tomorrow or Supergirl.
 
I'm hoping in the absence of Batman that we get Midnighter - and then they can slot him onto the team for a potential second season, alongside Jonah Hex, Wildcat and Katana (from when he was still an active vigilante) :)
 
The Old Mixer said:
I think they're holding Jay in reserve for bigger things, including powering him up eventually.
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I'd like to think that's the case as well. But I also thought that when we got "The Flash Of Two Worlds" it would've had two powered up Flash's fighting together against a cool villain. I enjoyed the episode, but it was certainly not the geek-tastic event I originally thought it would be.

The Old Mixer said:
This is the problem with full network-sized seasons...season-long storylines get stretched out too much.
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The problem isn't with "network-sized seasons", the problem is dragging the story out so that it has to fill an entire season. Seriously, we're in an era where we have MID-season finales, so there's no reason why a story has to fill an entire season vs. two half season stories (or even several 3 and 4 part stories. Why the need to have a season long story in the first place?). I have zero problem with network sized seasons, I have a problem with the way they've been utilized.

And thanks for the Legion info Christopher. While Supergirl has a history with the Legion, the Arrowverse has already played with time travel and it will be a major element of LoT, so I wonder if it'll happen there.
 
It should be a lot of fun because it opens up a lot more of the DC universe for the writers to play in unlike Arrow and The Flash which are limited to heroes and villain of the present. With a few exception here and there. I'd like to see characters from all over the timeline.
 
I'm wondering if Kamandi is actually something they are considering working into the show somehow. I was watching an interview with one of the writers or producers and the interviewer mentioned Kamandi and they didn't get much of a reaction. When it comes to stuff like this, little reactions actually seem to be more telling than when they give an outright no. At the very least they don't seem to be ruling it out.
I've never read Kamandi myself, but it does sound like something that could be really fun to see brought into the Arrowverse in some form. Although I do have to wonder how much they'd really be able to do on a TV budget.
 
Kamandi is basically Planet of the Apes if it were all sorts of animals that had intelligence and civilization rather than just apes. It would be pretty hard to do on TV even with the level of FX they have on these shows. I just read an interview with their VFX supervisor, and apparently the only reason they were able to do Grodd and King Shark is because the supervisor was given notice far enough in advance that he told his team to start designing the CG models in their spare time between work on other things, so that they had them ready by the time the producers finally went ahead and did the scripts. Doing a whole alternate future full of anthropomorphic animals would probably be a bit much even with plenty of advance notice.
 
I'll have to catch this later online, as it's up against Heroes Regurgitated, and I have a little more of an investment in seeing how that turns out.
 
OK start but couldn't transcend the perfunctory nature of getting everyone together. Hopefully it's going to get better now that they can get on with the story. Professor Firestorm came off pretty badly though.
 
- Very cartoonish (a plus and a minus), Purcell and Miller especially. Boy did they ham it up (a plus I'd say). A far cry from Arrow's beginnings.

- The Waverider reminded me of the Millennium Falcon.

- Liked the twist that they weren't really legends. They aren't exactly the biggest DC heroes.

- I enjoy the Arrowverse and I like the potential for this show so I look forward to more.
 
Then how is it a twist? It's like saying that if the Sixth Sense was instead titled "Bruce Willis is a Ghost," you would still think it was a twist. They've flat-out told you that they're going to be legends. If you're going to be something, then, you know, chances are pretty high that you're not currently that something.
 
This was fun, but a bit predictable. As soon as we cut from Rip imploring the council to act to Rip taking off in the Waverider, I knew he was stealing it. And I knew the kid Jonas would have some connection to him, though I thought he would turn out to be a grown-up Jonas himself.

I knew the demo film wasn't going to be reflective of the final product, but I'm surprised the Flash didn't show up here, or any regular from that show. I'm also wondering how this fits into Arrow continuity. It seems at least a few weeks must've passed since the heavy angst of yesterday's episode... although that one picked up right after the December cliffhanger, so that would kind of make sense.

Commander Richard said:
- The Waverider reminded me of the Millennium Falcon.
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I was thinking of something else. An English-accented time traveler, in a time ship that's designed to blend in with its surroundings so as not to attract attention... and which looks like it might be bigger on the inside than the outside? Okay, so it's a cloaking device rather than a chameleon circuit, but with Arthur Darvill at the helm, the comparison's hard to avoid.


- Liked the twist that they weren't really legends. They aren't exactly the biggest DC heroes.
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Well, they're not legends yet. One could argue that the reason they're unknown in Rip's future is because he took them out of time before they could achieve much. I mean, there may be some causal loops here, since it seemed to be the Hawks' decision to try to save their son that led to his death. (Although that's unclear. They took his body with them, rather than leaving him to be found in his office, so maybe they did slightly change things rather than actually causing his death.)

And I'd say that, historically, at least the Atom and the Hawks have been roughly on a par with Green Arrow and the Flash for prominence in the comics. Maybe Firestorm too, though he's (they're?) a more recent creation.
 
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