While it was technically correct the lines where clearly translated by someone notused to speaking German using a dictionary looking up translations or google translate.
The lines could have used some streamlining.
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The lines could have used some streamlining.
I'd have to watch the scene again, but pronounciation aside, I thought it was pretty accurate. Especially compared to some of the movie/TV/comic book "German" we got in the past.
This show makes absolutely no sense, but I agree that it is a lot of fun. I don't know why they don't try a little more handwaving to fix their time travel illogic. Just throw the term quantum mechanics around and use phrases like "time only moves linearly from our perspective" and it would make perfect in universe sense to have to attack Savage in three time periods.
I did like the bit with the Justice Society reference at the end. It would certainly be nice to have a real version of Earth 2, perhaps with the JSA having been around since the eighties or nineties and turn the current parallel earth on Flash to be Earth 3.
I did like the bit with the Justice Society reference at the end. It would certainly be nice to have a real version of Earth 2, perhaps with the JSA having been around since the eighties or nineties and turn the current parallel earth on Flash to be Earth 3.
One possible upshot of merging Flash/Arrow-Earth & Supergirl-Earth is they can use the event to kill off Superman and no longer hindered by his awkward non-presence.
However they choose to handle it, I'd be very disappointed if at some point Kara meets Ray and doesn't give him a suspicious sideways look.
Maybe they can do a Brainiac/Convergene thing, and have some entity or group sampling cities from across the multiverse, and they are stopped on Earth-1, And not knowing where the captured cities belong, they are placed on Earth-1. National City could be one of those citites, Supergirl / DEo and all.
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
The more I think of it, the more I think that they should keep the settings separate. Season 2 of Flash has demonstrated how fun the multiverse concept can be to play with. Keeping Supergirl on her own Earth but with regular crossovers gives them more toys in that box.
Oh I know.. it's as likely as merging Earths.
One possible upshot of merging Flash/Arrow-Earth & Supergirl-Earth is they can use the event to kill off Superman and no longer hindered by his awkward non-presence.
However they choose to handle it, I'd be very disappointed if at some point Kara meets Ray and doesn't give him a suspicious sideways look.
REIGN OF THE SUPERMEN!!! Getting rid of Superman but bringing in Superboy, Steel, the Eradicator, and the Cyborg (which is already set up via Hank Henshaw, the body of Jeremiah Danvers, and Cadmus labs) would be a fantastic narrative for Supergirl to take.
But I have the same objection to that -- why would they? What is gained by destroying the differences that exist between those two universes? Isn't it more interesting to embrace and elaborate on those differences? Why do you think it would be a good idea to reduce story possibilities rather than adding them? I find this desire totally inexplicable. There is no reason for it at all, given how easy it is to arrange for the characters to cross universes routinely by using either superpowers or technology. Nothing would be lost by keeping the universes separate, but a lot would be lost by combining them.
Homogenization is never better than diversity. Sure, you could bulldoze their distinctive features into oblivion and force them into conformism based exclusively on their similarities, but that would not be an improvement. Different is good. Different is interesting. I love it that Supergirl's world is defined by the presence of aliens and Earth-1 is not. I love it that Supergirl's world is informed by a dozen years of superhero history thanks to Superman while Earth-1 is still building a superhero community that originated with the Arrow and the Flash. Those differences are good things and should not be eradicated.
I think just the opposite. Every year, the series expands into more and bigger concepts. We got our first hint of superpowers with Mirakuru in Arrow season 2, then we got a whole show full of metahumans in The Flash the following year. We got our first glimpse of time travel in the first season of The Flash, then we got a whole time-travel series in Legends the following year. We got a second Earth in the current season of The Flash -- and now we have a third Earth in Supergirl. It's a logical progression to focus the next season on multiple Earths, and since we already have three different ones established, why not use all three of them and add even more Earths to them? The fact that Supergirl's Earth is different is a feature, not a bug. It works perfectly in the context of the franchise's evolution.
You keep talking about why it could be done, but I've heard nobody offer an explanation for why it should be done, why it would have more creative possibilities than keeping the universes separate. The only advantage I can think of is that it would allow characters to interact more often, and that can easily be done just by establishing a permanent dimensional rift or a reliable universe-crossing technology or superpower. Heck, in the comics that established the multiverse in the Silver Age, the Justice League and Justice Society crossed universes frequently and casually, whenever the story called for it. Having two characters or teams occupy different universes offers zero impediment to crossovers between them, in a universe where science and technology can be arbitrarily bent to serve the needs of any story.
Ugh, no -- I hate it when people use "quantum" as a catchall handwave for whatever nonsense they want to spin. There's this perception that quantum physics is this mysterious, futuristic, even mystical field of arcane knowledge, but it's really a very precise, solid science that is the basis of technologies we use every day, like transistors and diodes and lasers. Really, classical physics is just the quantum physics of large groups of particles.
Well, they could draw on it, but hopefully they'd tell a better story. I read it all recently, and it was interesting, but not that great. In particular, its version of Supergirl (the shapeshifting "Matrix" entity) didn't come off very well, since she was such an adoring dupe of "Alexander" Luthor.
The Marvel movies (and TV) are all part of a shared universe, the DC movies are working toward a shared universe, the other CW DC (not Vertigo) shows are part of a shared universe. I guess the gain is that sense of contributing to a larger shared whole, everything contributing to the big picture, each show adding to it as they go. I'm not saying Supergirl should do this but it's not unreasonable to think they might consider it.
But it is a shared universe! From a storytelling perspective, Supergirl's world is part of the continuity of the other shows, in the same way that the Mirror Universe is part of the Star Trek continuity and the Other Side was part of Fringe continuity and Dimension X is part of Ninja Turtles continuity. A fictional universe (as in a unified continuity of elements capable of interaction) can include multiple in-story physical universes. You're making the mistake of equating storytelling unity with physical unity. You can have the former without the latter, because there are countless ways to allow crossing between physical universes in fiction.
And as I've said before, we already have a bunch of shows that interact in exactly the way you describe. That will not be lost if there is also a single show that stands apart. As I keep saying, maintaining the separate universes costs the franchise nothing, but getting rid of them would cost the franchise a lot.
^ So should the Arrowverse shows be broken up into their own continuities since "homogenization is never better than diversity"? I get you don't want Supergirl integrated with the other series, why not just state that instead of trying to prove it is the better option?
Since the move to CW as necessitated primarily as a cost saving measure i doub't they'd tackle such an ambitious storyline that involces regular new actors and a ton of special effects.
Also why get rid of Superman? It's her city and it's been established that Superman trusts her to keep it safe. The only thing i disliked is that in the season finale they invented a hamfisted explanation how to bench Superman because they thought it would be unrealistic for him not to help in this situation (they could have simply tried to contact him and learn that he is off world on some mission, problem solved with a single scene).
Actually, that episode did start with him being off world, but then added that lame excuse unnecessarily
No, of course not! My whole point is that it's not a zero-sum choice between "single continuity" and "more than one continuity." It's entirely possible to have both at the same time -- a set of shows that share a single universe and an additional show or two set in a different universe that occasionally crosses over with it. Neither option requires the eradication of the other. There's plenty of room for both. That's what diversity means. It means understanding that your own preference is not threatened just because other people are allowed to enjoy something different at the same time.
Besides, we're not talking about continuities here, we're talking about in-story universes. We've already had a whole season of The Flash proving conclusively that two separate physical universes can be part of the same narrative continuity and interact with each other on a regular basis. Just about every Flash episode this season has had characters from another universe participating in and driving the events of the story. So that should make it very clear that you don't need to combine the universes physically in order to integrate them narratively. Supergirl is already part of the same continuity as the Arrowverse, now that the Flash has crossed over. It will always be part of the same narrative universe as them, whether or not it's treated as the same physical universe.
Regarding the possible universe merger, I don't see what the big deal is either way.
There was nothing in S1 of Supergirl that precluded it from being in the rest of the Arrowverse other than a lack of previous references to the existence of Superman.
Crossovers can happen either way, and the rest of the time references to other shows are mostly just flavour anyway as all shows have their own self contained storylines.
There was nothing in S1 of Supergirl that precluded it from being in the rest of the Arrowverse other than a lack of previous references to the existence of Superman.
Crossovers can happen either way, and the rest of the time references to other shows are mostly just flavour anyway as all shows have their own self contained storylines.
I'm not even for putting Supergirl in the same shared universe as I think that series isn't very compatible with the background of the others. I just don't care for what sounds like using absolute statements to back up that opinion. Making an appeal to diversity seems overblown.
That's pretty much what people were saying back when 'The Flash' was going to be in the same continuity as Arrow. They were wrong.
I think it's just common sense. An approach that adds more possibilities for storytelling is automatically more interesting than one that takes possibilities away.